Whats Your Views

[Mixedgrill 704]

on terriers passing game

This one hits an earth like a rocket and he's very head strong never really had any diffs with this dog until I decided to up his anti and enter him into a bigger place,he said no,so I double checked him and got a result,,,, your views ??

[jiggy 3,209]

Some are better finders than others I wouldn't hold it again him unless he was meeting game and walking away from it.

[Mixedgrill 704]

He's not,decent dog till now,to me he could've made more of an effort his trip round the earth was quick,I also put him back around it and he still said no

[Lenmcharristar 9,889]

Sometimes they're just not up to par and choose they're days of hunting, some will fly in a stop but won't go in with the lights off, and some pass game as they don't like what's coming, I've known of some dogs that picked their hunts, but as it was with hounds they still got some sport but when coming into heat, could dig a bear with her, back out of season she switched back to picking her hunts, fecking odd ball

[rob284 1,682]

When he said no, did he mark on the lead then say no or did you let him in to let him check?

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

on terriers passing game

This one hits an earth like a rocket and he's very head strong never really had any diffs with this dog until I decided to up his anti and enter him into a bigger place,he said no,so I double checked him and got a result,,,, your views ??

When you put him in a second time he found & you dug him fine. And hes performed well up to this....well then no biggee! A thing of nothing. But put it in the back of your head. If it becomes a pattern then it may be an issue...jmo

[neil cooney 10,416]

One of the best terriers I ever had early in his career would check earths at 1000 mph and passed quarry a couple of times.

He was like a headless chicken and a scatter brain. He settled down and became very reliable.

I'd rather see that than a terrier that looks over cautious going in.

 

Also when a young terrier fails to find or comes away I never ask them a second time.

I'd collar up a worker and let it go making sure the youngster see's the other terrier going.

It might think twice next time about coming out and ones that do come off (not saying your terrier did) by asking them to go back it's like telling them it's OK to come away. Terriers are a very jealous animal and if they thought another was getting what should be theirs they'll stay with it next time.

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

One of the best terriers I ever had early in his career would check earths at 1000 mph and passed quarry a couple of times.

He was like a headless chicken and a scatter brain. He settled down and became very reliable.

I'd rather see that than a terrier that looks over cautious going in.

 

Also when a young terrier fails to find or comes away I never ask them a second time.

I'd collar up a worker and let it go making sure the youngster see's the other terrier going.

It might think twice next time about coming out and ones that do come off (not saying your terrier did) by asking them to go back it's like telling them it's OK to come away. Terriers are a very jealous animal and if they thought another was getting what should be theirs they'll stay with it next time.

I agree with you on most of that Neil apart from the cautious entering part, believe it or not a lot of black dogs I've seen work and work well, you've seen some of them over the years, entered like a cat slowly creeping in then after a few minutes when contact was made that's when they came alive. I suppose that's the oppsosite of a terrier bombing in at 100mph and missing game.

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

Obviously if he found & walked then thats a different story...

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

on terriers passing game

This one hits an earth like a rocket and he's very head strong never really had any diffs with this dog until I decided to up his anti and enter him into a bigger place,he said no,so I double checked him and got a result,,,, your views ??

hard one to call mixed grill. My mate had a fox bitch he swore by a few seasons back and she was running a bank one day and had a mark and came away on about her business. A young dog we bred was bouncing on his back legs looking in, never had been dug before. So we let him go, we broke in on him glued to a good sized dog fox. The rest is history. A lot of factors could be the reason why your dog done that. I've seen terriers pass game without even entering, running the bank and through cover as a fox has been past that spot just before we came down to the bank. Some terriers when they're on scent are heedless. I'd a dog do it on me one day had no interest in the bank but ran the ditch and cover for 20mins and I couldn't get a hold of him. Got him and put him back in the van, 10min walk came down with another dog straight in and on dug it at 6ft. So I wasn't happy but I'd a good place lined up not far away that I wouldn't normally bother with. He was taken there next stop and we dug him without an issue. He never put a foot wrong since. I'm sure you'll find out for yourself, sometimes everything isn't as it seems, there could be more to it. Atb

[rob284 1,682]

Obviously if he found & walked then thats a different story...

if its a real rangey place, I wouldn't be too upset if an inexperienced dog lost its quarry after contact. It takes some experience for a dog to locate its quarry that's just weaved its way through 30m+ of tunnel, especially if its tight. Experience makes it easier and they'll only gain it from being given the opportunity.

[BlackDog1 134]

One of the best terriers I ever had early in his career would check earths at 1000 mph and passed quarry a couple of times.

He was like a headless chicken and a scatter brain. He settled down and became very reliable.

I'd rather see that than a terrier that looks over cautious going in.

 

Also when a young terrier fails to find or comes away I never ask them a second time.

I'd collar up a worker and let it go making sure the youngster see's the other terrier going.

It might think twice next time about coming out and ones that do come off (not saying your terrier did) by asking them to go back it's like telling them it's OK to come away. Terriers are a very jealous animal and if they thought another was getting what should be theirs they'll stay with it next time.

Some wise words there Neil, I had a similar problem a fortnight ago with my young bitch. This was pretty much her first time to ground and she went in but would not settle at one spot. After 40 minutes she showed with clear signs of contact.

I then let her go back and she ran the earth for another 45 minutes but could not find. I managed to grab her at a hole as she was travelling.

We then put an older bitch in and she found in a different side of the earth within 15 minutes, we dug her at 6foot.

Now that I look back, I should of maybe pulled her after the first time she showed.

I will be trying her again this week so hopefully it will be a better outcome.

[Mixedgrill 704]

Sorry lads, When I said I double checked him I meant with another dog,then I got the result

[BlackDog1 134]

I would just put it down to him being a young dog mate, that's what I'm doing with mine. As already said, if it becomes a regular occurrence then it's obviously a problem.

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

 

Obviously if he found & walked then thats a different story...

if its a real rangey place, I wouldn't be too upset if an inexperienced dog lost its quarry after contact. It takes some experience for a dog to locate its quarry that's just weaved its way through 30m+ of tunnel, especially if its tight. Experience makes it easier and they'll only gain it from being given the opportunity.

A fair point....thats if hes inexperienced & he comes out having searched throughout & keen to go back in & find him. But in that case I'd note it in the back of my mind & keep an eye on it.