Jagd

[woottonsheart 214]

There a handful to keep i tell you that much ...

[Naustroms 92]

The strength of these dogs is the range of game they work. These are US dogs so I can't comment on what kind of work they get in the UK.

 

Edited January 18, 2017 by Naustroms

[General lee 979]

Good pictures mate the hunting you got over there is so much better tha here. I wonder if that's the reason these dogs aren't as popular over here as they are in other countries because of the range of game they can hunt

[AXUM 255]

I read in german and east europe they have different lines dedicated to different work so size might duffer its above ground or under ground.

 

Wheres sambarman he knows alot .

[forest of dean redneck 11,596]

I read that the pig hunting lines are lot bigger ? Apart from the fowl retrieving (i know mik tried with his patterdale)

there's nothing there that no-one hasn't done with a teckel or terrier of some description.

[neil cooney 10,416]

Mik tried with his Patterdale ?

IMO he did a bloody good job. That little terrier did some retrieves that a Lab owner would be envious of.

Over this side of the world we tend to specialise more with our dogs than turn them into the Jack of all trades that the Europeans and Yanks do.

I've shot pheasant, ducks and rabbits over JRTs and Fell terriers and I've a friend who has used his chocolate terrier to track wounded deer but personally I'd never be happy hunting large country with a dog running loose that was bred to work underground. Unless of course I had two shovels in my hand and a collar on the terrier and the exercise was to have a dig.

But they seem to get away with it with their Jagds in some parts of the world.

That might say a lot.

[General lee 979]

Mik tried with his Patterdale ?

IMO he did a bloody good job. That little terrier did some retrieves that a Lab owner would be envious of.

Over this side of the world we tend to specialise more with our dogs than turn them into the Jack of all trades that the Europeans and Yanks do.

I've shot pheasant, ducks and rabbits over JRTs and Fell terriers and I've a friend who has used his chocolate terrier to track wounded deer but personally I'd never be happy hunting large country with a dog running loose that was bred to work underground. Unless of course I had two shovels in my hand and a collar on the terrier and the exercise was to have a dig.

But they seem to get away with it with their Jagds in some parts of the world.

That might say a lot.

 

This is what I was trying to say but Neil said it better

[eastcoast 4,121]

Good pictures mate the hunting you got over there is so much better tha here. I wonder if that's the reason these dogs aren't as popular over here as they are in other countries because of the range of game they can hunt

Maybe no so much as the range of quarry available to hunt but more to do with the opportunity to do so ? Similar to the development of the HPR breeds on the continent where as in the British Isles we developed specialist spaniels, setters/pointers and retrievers. Well " we " didn't develop them, men in the employ of the a certain class developed and trained them. Only a select few could shoot and they had no need to restrict themselves to a dog that could find, flush and retrieve. The common man in the British Isles had no use for a gundog of any type until relatively recently, not so in the rest of Europe or north America. But we did find sport with dogs. Terriers.

 

Yes the upper classes had men in their employ who developed these types of dogs to assist in fox hunting. And yes a few of the officer class contributed, easy when time and money is no object. But I would say that the working terrier is a creation of the working man of the British Isles. And that work was mainly badger digging. A far more accessible quarry to the urban based hunter. I'm talking about the 20th century. That's when the true working terrier was developed. In my opinion. Out and out earth dogs. No tracking shot deer because the men who had these dogs would not take a deer in that way if ever at all. No retrieving shot ducks or pheasant for the same reason. The lads on the continent have had more freedom to do that sort of thing before we did I suppose, in between having revolutions and losing wars.

 

But however good or bad the Jagd maybe the original blood came from the British Isles yes ? So if was found to be lacking then surely it's a case of trying to polish a turd or adding water to whiskey and somehow creating something better than whiskey ? I don't get it !

[neil cooney 10,416]

Great post Eastcoast. A lot to think about.

However, in these isles (not just the British Isles, Ireland too) we'll probably keep our heels dug in and irrespective of laws and trends we'll probably keep the single handed underground terrier to the fore as our opinion of who's best, the way it should be I think you'll agree.

 

 

 

I feel like a dram now.

[eastcoast 4,121]

I used the title British Isles, taking care not to write GB or UK, because it is a geographical not political definition . Ireland north and south are part of the British Isles, geographically . Or it used to be. If it that has changed also then my mistake.

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

The British Isles is not an officially recognised term in any legal or inter-governmental sense. It is without any official status.

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

Now look what you started E.C...lol

[lonespade 51]

 

 

Don't think I've seen a line of dog in any breed without some kind of hole in it.

You do know you made the easiest observation that's possible in the terrier game.

There's lads in this game who take pride in getting pups off the best of breeding and try their best to make them quit. Only when they can say it wasn't good enough for them have they achieved their goal.

Then there's the lads who ruin good ,game terriers through their own stupidity. Again, there's another line that produces curs.

Any fool can find holes in any line, it's easy. It's so easy in fact that there's countless messers doing it every year, in every country all around the world.

 

What a genuine lad is looking for is the line that in the right hands constantly produces workers of a high standard.

NOW, there's a hard observation to make.

Now this is real wisdom gents..

[neil cooney 10,416]

I used the title British Isles, taking care not to write GB or UK, because it is a geographical not political definition . Ireland north and south are part of the British Isles, geographically . Or it used to be. If it that has changed also then my mistake.

OK, you were doing fine 'till you said Ireland was part of the British Isles, LOL.

Ireland is Ireland and Britian is that other island in the Irish sea.

Nothing to do with terriers, just politics, LOL.

[eastcoast 4,121]

How about the Atlantic Archipelago?