American Sniper

[Boss-Hog 270]

might have been c**t all done same selection and put their life on line for country credit where due

[blackmaggie 3,376]

Boss can only say what he said I have no military background but he said the lads that died were good lads he did say other things but its not for me to say anymore

[Nik_B 3,790]

War: the shooting is fun as long as none of your guys get hit, the waiting around gets very boring.

 

I suppose everyone's experience will be different.

 

I can well believe that, I bet the adrenaline rush of a first contact is insane, it wouldn't be surprising if it was very addictive in a strange way. I also wonder if some/many cases of PTSD is caused by the comedown of returning to 'boring' civilian life rather than just traumatic experiences....is it possible that exposure to massive adrenaline surges does something to people when taken out of that environment?

 

I've worked with loads of ex military guys often paras, marines and especially French foreign legion, as someone who has never been in the military but very interested in history and the military it's quite awkward in a way....there's loads of questions I want to ask but you don't know if it's appropriate.

 

Last year myself and a few friends who are all WW2 aviation nerds got the opportunity to talk to a legendary P-51 pilot, he shot down an ace Luftwaffe pilot called Walter Schuck who was flying a Me-262 (German jet fighter), it was one of the most memorable experiences of my life in many ways. His war ended when he was hit by flak, ditched, was captured, escaped and was then captured by the Russians where he fought as infantry with them. It was a surreal experience to talk to this amazing man.

 

According to his son for most of his life he barely spoke about his war experience, it was only in the last decade that he wanted to....I wonder if that is because he felt people wouldn't understand rather than wanting to forget.

[gnasher16 30,121]

Andy McNabb as my mate says shit at his job he got caught hardly the secret service was he

Oh ok i thought Andy Mcnab was supposed to be the bee,s knee,s of the guerrilla warfare world its not really something that interests me so was the only name ive heard of in that game.....my mistake.

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

War: the shooting is fun as long as none of your guys get hit, the waiting around gets very boring.

 

I suppose everyone's experience will be different.

 

I can well believe that, I bet the adrenaline rush of a first contact is insane, it wouldn't be surprising if it was very addictive in a strange way. I also wonder if some/many cases of PTSD is caused by the comedown of returning to 'boring' civilian life rather than just traumatic experiences....is it possible that exposure to massive adrenaline surges does something to people when taken out of that environment?

 

I've worked with loads of ex military guys often paras, marines and especially French foreign legion, as someone who has never been in the military but very interested in history and the military it's quite awkward in a way....there's loads of questions I want to ask but you don't know if it's appropriate.

 

Last year myself and a few friends who are all WW2 aviation nerds got the opportunity to talk to a legendary P-51 pilot, he shot down an ace Luftwaffe pilot called Walter Schuck who was flying a Me-262 (German jet fighter), it was one of the most memorable experiences of my life in many ways. His war ended when he was hit by flak, ditched, was captured, escaped and was then captured by the Russians where he fought as infantry with them. It was a surreal experience to talk to this amazing man.

 

According to his son for most of his life he barely spoke about his war experience, it was only in the last decade that he wanted to....I wonder if that is because he felt people wouldn't understand rather than wanting to forget.

 

Without poking my beak in is there any reason you havent served yourself mate ?....i can never quite get my nut round people who have such an interest and passion for something they have never at least tried themself.

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,926]

There is nothing addictive about getting shot at, you develop an indifference to it after a while but it's never nothing.....

 

People have watched too many films where the hero shrugs off a wound and he's in a plaster cast at the end, a lad thirty yards from me in a safe location was shot in the arse and ended up being discharged with nerve damage , another friend was hit by a sniper in the neck, the bullet bounced around his body smacking off his spine and burst out of his armpit , he can't move that arm now .

 

You can't grasp the sheer smell, noise, and pandemonium of being in war

 

It's a beast every wise man should seek to keep on a chain

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,926]

 

Andy McNabb as my mate says shit at his job he got caught hardly the secret service was he

 

Oh ok i thought Andy Mcnab was supposed to be the bee,s knee,s of the guerrilla warfare world its not really something that interests me so was the only name ive heard of in that game.....my mistake.

He did his bit, he made his name and fortune so fair play.

 

If you want real hatred you should hear the pf oldies on about David blakely lol

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

War: the shooting is fun as long as none of your guys get hit, the waiting around gets very boring.

 

I suppose everyone's experience will be different.

 

I can well believe that, I bet the adrenaline rush of a first contact is insane, it wouldn't be surprising if it was very addictive in a strange way. I also wonder if some/many cases of PTSD is caused by the comedown of returning to 'boring' civilian life rather than just traumatic experiences....is it possible that exposure to massive adrenaline surges does something to people when taken out of that environment?

 

I've worked with loads of ex military guys often paras, marines and especially French foreign legion, as someone who has never been in the military but very interested in history and the military it's quite awkward in a way....there's loads of questions I want to ask but you don't know if it's appropriate.

 

Last year myself and a few friends who are all WW2 aviation nerds got the opportunity to talk to a legendary P-51 pilot, he shot down an ace Luftwaffe pilot called Walter Schuck who was flying a Me-262 (German jet fighter), it was one of the most memorable experiences of my life in many ways. His war ended when he was hit by flak, ditched, was captured, escaped and was then captured by the Russians where he fought as infantry with them. It was a surreal experience to talk to this amazing man.

 

According to his son for most of his life he barely spoke about his war experience, it was only in the last decade that he wanted to....I wonder if that is because he felt people wouldn't understand rather than wanting to forget.

 

Without poking my beak in is there any reason you havent served yourself mate ?....i can never quite get my nut round people who have such an interest and passion for something they have never at least tried themself.

 

 

My true passion was flying and I was desperate to be a pilot but my eyesight went to sh*t, I even pretended to be able to see properly for so long that I couldn't even read the blackboard at school lol. when I was a kid I would read every book I could get my hands on about the RAF in WW2, at that age combat sounds very exciting. To be honest I wouldn't have stood a chance to get in the RAF. Eventually I did get a pilots licence but to go from a civilian licence to commercial is seriously expensive so I packed it in....plus you dont get to drop bombs

 

A few years later I tried to join the reserves as infantry and got rejected...I'd like to blame asthma but hilariously I didn't weigh enough! I bet I'm not underweight for the army now lol

[Nik_B 3,790]

There is nothing addictive about getting shot at, you develop an indifference to it after a while but it's never nothing.....

 

People have watched too many films where the hero shrugs off a wound and he's in a plaster cast at the end, a lad thirty yards from me in a safe location was shot in the arse and ended up being discharged with nerve damage , another friend was hit by a sniper in the neck, the bullet bounced around his body smacking off his spine and burst out of his armpit , he can't move that arm now .

 

You can't grasp the sheer smell, noise, and pandemonium of being in war

 

It's a beast every wise man should seek to keep on a chain

 

I wasn't saying getting shot at is addictive or glamorizing war, I mean adrenaline can be addictive to some people, racing drivers etc would probably say the same....so if you are someone who has been exposed to massive amounts of adrenaline and then you go back to normal life would that contribute to problems? I have no idea, it was just a thought.

 

Most young men think war is something amazing but even if you haven't been in the army with age you realise it's not glamorous. I had an interesting chat with a guy I met on the hills here, he had a ctrippled arm. Turned out he'd been hit by an Arab sniper in Yemen which had given him massive nerve damage, I bet that was only something like a 303 and not like the modern rounds which are far more destructive. I hate holywood movies, if they portray someone being shot then they should make it realistic, anyone who shoots should have an appreciation of what a high velocity round like a 5.56 can do to an animal.

[nans pat 2,575]

you get used to it after the first couple(killing people)lol..i was told that by a fella done a lot of stiffing..he ended up getting stiffed himself.

[WILF 46,811]

There is nothing addictive about getting shot at, you develop an indifference to it after a while but it's never nothing.....

People have watched too many films where the hero shrugs off a wound and he's in a plaster cast at the end, a lad thirty yards from me in a safe location was shot in the arse and ended up being discharged with nerve damage , another friend was hit by a sniper in the neck, the bullet bounced around his body smacking off his spine and burst out of his armpit , he can't move that arm now .

You can't grasp the sheer smell, noise, and pandemonium of being in war

It's a beast every wise man should seek to keep on a chain

Oh dry your f***ing eyes you idiot before I have to kill you !

[Nik_B 3,790]

OK f**k it lol

 

These are the questions I have always wanted to ask, I understand very basic infantry tactics, how fireteams work, the purpose of suppressing fire, find fix, flank, finish (american doctrine?)

 

but I have always wondered can you see what you are shooting at or who is shooting at you? I've watched a lot of videos (yes it's not real life) and you can't see anything.

 

Also what range is typical of an engagement? I assume somewhere from 200-300m?

 

Stupid questions no doubt

[socks 32,253]

If you can't see what your shooting at then you shouldn't be pulling the trigger ... unlike Hollywood you have a limited amount of ammo and if you waste it before your enemy guess what's going to happen ... as for contact distance in this day and age it's normally dictated by the enemy and how brave or superior their feeling some will take it right up to you whilst others will start trying to engage you from a fukc of a long way and unless your taking "effective enemy fire" you just crack on and don't waste ammo firing back .......

[WILF 46,811]

When I was on the balcony I simply said "step aside John and let me go to work"........the rest as they say, is history !

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,926]

' he who wastes ammunition in the presence of the enemy merely to reassure himself is a man of straw and merits not the title fallschrimjager"