Guest Navek Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Brother sister matings = double the best traits Double the worst traits Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,590 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Didn't they used to say you can do father to daughter but not mother to son?? Why not mother to son. Seemed more defects or culls would happen this way round.Is there any evidence to back this theory up or is it just hearsayAs it was a saying probably hearsay or I read it somewhere who knows,that's why I put question mark at the end. 1 Quote Link to post
undertaker 831 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Didn't they used to say you can do father to daughter but not mother to son??Why not mother to son.Seemed more defects or culls would happen this way round.Is there any evidence to back this theory up or is it just hearsayive seen mother son mating been done first mating all pups were perfect repeat mating two pups came undershot 1 Quote Link to post
forest of dean redneck 11,590 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Didn't they used to say you can do father to daughter but not mother to son??Why not mother to son.Seemed more defects or culls would happen this way round.Is there any evidence to back this theory up or is it just hearsayive seen mother son mating been done first mating all pups were perfect repeat mating two pups came undershotPlenty dogs are undershot from unrelated matings ,including my Labradoodle,so whilst its not good for a terrier ,its not that bad from a inbred mating is it. 1 Quote Link to post
leethedog 3,071 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I used to ferret with an old boy who kept a line of ferrets like some keep a line of terriers he used the father daughter but never mother to son saying . When I asked him why he side the kits tend to come small on mother to son and be sickly . I don't know how true it is but he stuck by his methods and had great ferrets my he rest in peace Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Didn't they used to say you can do father to daughter but not mother to son??Why not mother to son.Seemed more defects or culls would happen this way round.Is there any evidence to back this theory up or is it just hearsayive seen mother son mating been done first mating all pups were perfect repeat mating two pups came undershotPlenty dogs are undershot from unrelated matings ,including my Labradoodle,so whilst its not good for a terrier ,its not that bad from a inbred mating is it.?......and the reason why there is so many undershot dogs about ,exceptance . 3 Quote Link to post
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Life's to short try it see how they work out, I got talked out of doing father daughter mating so I used another dog only a few of pups worked to a good standard so I thought I do the father daughter mating but lost the bitch before I got a chance! If there culls at least you can say you have tried Agreed mate. Edited January 5, 2017 by Rabbit Hunter Quote Link to post
rippem 455 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 I believe that if you do a breeding of father daughter you do it for breeding purposes to tighten up your line and nothing more. And you need to cull hard. Before i would do that i would do half brother to a half sister breeding and start breeding off of that. 3 Quote Link to post
steve t 931 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 ive done a mother son mating, no physical problems atall, pups only 11 months old but very keen. also the father to the son was related to the bitch aswell so very close. 1 Quote Link to post
runem 533 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 With a good knowledge of previous breeding ie,parents grandparents and how close they are already bred ect ect .Have any previously bred dogs had any defects that could be exagerated by the close in breeding . If your happy with your knowledge and what each parent is bringing to the table i would give it a go, if it goes wrong at least you will know,,,to me its better a regret than not knowing. pictures are of brother to sister breeding , no faults what so ever , pups turned out mirror image of parents in looks and working ability. 4 Quote Link to post
steve t 931 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 no one really knows how it will turn out, its all a bloody mystery so crack on!! 3 Quote Link to post
Bryan 1,362 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 This is a good place to look at the results of different close breedings http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=4453 son of (father x daughter) back to his mother (his 1/2 sister) Bound to find some brother sister crosses if it produced winners or stock worth breeding 1 Quote Link to post
Dead Eyes 681 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 This is a good place to look at the results of different close breedings http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=4453 son of (father x daughter) back to his mother (his 1/2 sister) Bound to find some brother sister crosses if it produced winners or stock worth breeding In fact, it was her son that has one of the best Redboy litters ever when bred to assassinator 1 Quote Link to post
rob284 1,682 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 If the dog is to be the main dog used in your program, what is the next step if you wanted to breed from a good bitch in that litter. Quote Link to post
Kaizer Sozĕ 266 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 If the dog is to be the main dog used in your program, what is the next step if you wanted to breed from a good bitch in that litter. We're nowhere near being snookered & have several good options, this being 1 of them. With regards to breeding off that litter again no major issue there either.. Quote Link to post
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