Lamping Without A Slip

[matt1979 766]

Nearly started a thread on this one last week. I don't do a lot of lamping but what with work have been out later than usual start of this season. I have a young lurcher who has done a bit on the lamp and is eventually pretty well behaved, so have given him a bit of a free reign for the last month or so on our nightly wanders. Usually first field he bombs around a little bit but in fairness settles down after a leg stretch and he can be worked pretty well of lead imo anyway. He is only young and will wander if I let him but returns with a little whistle, probably would catch more with him on the slip in all honesty but I enjoy the training element and he covers a touch more ground off the lead so I will stick with it. Do have to say it can all go pear shaped if foxy pays a visit though atb

[dytkos 17,782]

I normally lamp alone but take 2 dogs so off a slip is a no-no.

If i had one dog I would probably try it but tbh I wouldnt be in control of what would be run, beam or no beam.

 

Cheers, D.

[Stud dog 632]

I work my old dog without a slip when she is only dog there an ive never had a problem doing it this way as been said the dog is quicker off the mark this way good to hear iam not only one

[terryd 8,363]

When I started mine lamping last year we started off slip. He took to it good just a little wait command before i put the lamp on.

but every thing was a bit rushed if there was a rabbit i found me self sending him too soon. Light on theres a rabbit in range away you go

Because he was young and keen once given the ok he would blast off even if the rabbit was running straight towards us. Many a time that ended with a head on and a rabbit being killed stone dead by shear impact the silly bugger.

I wanted him to wait and think about things weighing up the situation as the rabbit came our way which was easier on slip. Now he is older and matured I will often slip him and he slowly glides off unless speed is needed. So I am happy knowing I could but I chose not too simply because I don't want him bumping into any thing he shouldn't. Because of his honker he wouldn't need the light so I can't be having any of that

[Blueboybilly 164]

I am training my whippet to work off the slip at the moment. He's caught a few when going on my command and won't hunt up.

 

He does get excited on the first couple of times the lamp is on and does have a tendency to run straight down the beam as soon as it is switched in.. just out of pure anticipation

Edited December 22, 2016 by Blueboybilly

[terryd 8,363]

I started off gently holding the collar especially if your expecting some thing there just to get the pattern going

[straight2hand 303]

I wouldn't own a dog that can't work to heel, for me the dog isn't really working with you otherwise, but if your out running a pair you have to keep one on the slip to control the situation. if you let a dog hunt up in the day time it will do it off the lead in the night so I don't allow it.

[terryd 8,363]

Mine hunts like a hound in the day using his nose a treat but on the lamp he now belts back as quick as he goes. He is nearly three and just keep learning more and more

Edited December 22, 2016 by terryd

[mhopton 807]

90% of the time I'm alone lamping so blade is never on a lead unless I'm crossing a road which is rare,but in company his lead is on , I'd like to think that it's the best way for me with to hunt with carrying the lamp,rabbits and trying to lead the dog is a pain at times . He's well behaved off the lead and never going more than 20yards away from me !!BUT!! If the moon is high and bright he as a tenderness to shoot of after a rabbit or the other big one if he can see them , I'm usually sharp at noticing him belting of and lamp on him ,some might not like that in a dog but I do as he adds that extra few to the tally that I wouldn't of seen but if your like me on your own I'd say don't get yourself flustered getting him back on the lead leave him off you will soon see the benefits it has and the main one been he's a little bit closer when the lamp is turned onto a a rabbit even 5 yards is a good advantage in my eyes

Atb mark

[matt1979 766]

Not always true that a dog will hunt up at night if you allow it in the day, that's not giving a dog the credit they deserve. Mine will huntt up naturally in the day and I do very little to rain him in tbh. But at night he will heal without too much encouragement and also bombs straight back after a run with the occasional blip and always has done at night tbh seems to just understand it's a different plan of action at night .

Edited December 23, 2016 by matt1979

[cold pint 330]

It's a personal preference as to use a slip or not. No wrong or right and certenly not as some make out its for dogs that have no drive. It's for well trained and versatile dogs, I've lamped all my life, when I was younger and a lot keener to be out every night I used to keep 2/3 lurchers at a time and would put enough in front of them. Would allways head out with 2 lads, I'd allways take a pair of my lurchers an work them from the slip but as time as gone on and the workload I put in front of my dogs as changed also the way I use my lurchers has changed. I do a lot more during daylight now and I lamp on my own, my favourite is walk out at dawn and generally spend the majority of my time out with my dogs on my own. You keen lampers will know what I mean when I say the pace is difrent, I no longer have a pair of sharp eyed race ready long dogs chomping at the bit and pulling me across field as the lamp is pushed across it looking for our quarry. I now walk out at my own pace, take it all in and enjoy it for what it is now, this meaning I go at my own pace my bitch works off the lead at night. I can send her under or over a gate with a differing click of my fingers, she will stay at my heel untill I send her on. This also comes with a lot of time and tweeking to get down to a fine art. No my dog doesn't lack drive one bitch, she just knows what I ask of her and she does things my way. Witch I like. She's old now and has been a joy to work and own as I broke the sack when her mother whelped her. Sadly she took a bad knock recently and after a long hard career she is now showing signs of age. She will come out with me till the day she doesn't want to. Even if it is mopping up birds at night that I've knocked off their roost. Then so be it. Aslong as she's out with me were both happy, sorry a bit side tracked I don't speak about her much but she's my pride and joy,

Lamping with no slip is great for some, me being one of them

Edited December 23, 2016 by cold pint

[terryd 8,363]

It's a personal preference as to use a slip or not. No wrong or right and certenly not as some make out its for dogs that have no drive. It's for well trained and versatile dogs, I've lamped all my life, when I was younger and a lot keener to be out every night I used to keep 2/3 lurchers at a time and would put enough in front of them. Would allways head out with 2 lads, I'd allways take a pair of my lurchers an work them from the slip but as time as gone on and the workload I put in front of my dogs as changed also the way I use my lurchers has changed. I do a lot more during daylight now and I lamp on my own, my favourite is walk out at dawn and generally spend the majority of my time out with my dogs on my own. You keen lampers will know what I mean when I say the pace is difrent, I no longer have a pair of sharp eyed race ready long dogs chomping at the bit and pulling me across field as the lamp is pushed across it looking for our quarry. I now walk out at my own pace, take it all in and enjoy it for what it is now, this meaning I go at my own pace my bitch works off the lead at night. I can send her under or over a gate with a differing click of my fingers, she will stay at my heel untill I send her on. This also comes with a lot of time and tweeking to get down to a fine art. No my dog doesn't lack drive one bitch, she just knows what I ask of her and she does things my way. Witch I like. She's old now and has been a joy to work and own as I broke the sack when her mother whelped her. Sadly she took a bad knock recently and after a long hard career she is now showing signs of age. She will come out with me till the day she doesn't want to. Even if it is mopping up birds at night that I've knocked off their roost. Then so be it. Aslong as she's out with me were both happy, sorry a bit side tracked I don't speak about her much but she's my pride and joy,

Lamping with no slip is great for some, me being one of them

 

 

Good post that you obviously enjoy your dog and thats all that matters to any one at the end of the day

[cold pint 330]

Thanks Terry she's kept me happy

[Blueboybilly 164]

Mine hunts like a hound in the day using his nose a treat but on the lamp he now belts back as quick as he goes. He is nearly three and just keep learning more and more

Same as mine that is.. mine will hunt up in the day but doesn't at night

[low plains drifter 10,235]

Decided to have a look round a new bit of perm last night with the dog, i have never been round before so had no idea what to expect, anyway got to the spot parked the van in the implement yard and headed off.

Ive been thinking about trying to see if could lamp the dog without a slip on and just at heal, So i thought theres no time like the present lets have a go. Mac is pretty steady and not an excitable sort who is happy to just walk at heal 99% of the time.

Got into the first feild and had a quiet word with him just to make sure he knows what i want, flicked the lamp on and there was a couple along the hedge and one maybe 50 yards off the hedge so i walked up on it slowley to get a bit closer then lit it up, it was sat upright and the dog had seen it but still waited till i gave the command, i gave a hiss to set him off, off he went straight down couple bends and first one in the bag.

Pretty pleased with how the first one went i carried on round and continued as we did with the first and he did me proud apart from one that must have been sitting tight and we walked right on top of it and he went without a command but to be honest im glad he did because i had not seen it and he caught so all is good. We ended with 6, 5 of those without the slip. I dont think its something i will do all the time but its good to know he's steady enough that i could do it.

How many of you lamp your dog without a slip on....?

Hissing Sid