A Razors Edge

[Francie 6,368]

Another offliner lol

[Glyn..... 5,208]

Was it more recently that the Levi Oakes blood was used?

gnipper , i don't know about Levi's blood being added this would be after the border blood in the ped posted by p3d, and it was the mating in those terriers i was interested as my dogs go back to a full brother to that bitch and a half brother , when you chat with Brian or as i was doing interviewing him a for a US mag , he is a very clever man and steers almost controls the interview keeping it on the track he wants it to be on , but i wanted dog specific information if he did use Levi's blood it wouldn't surprise me but i never discussed it with him so have no facts sorry

[Lenmcharristar 9,786]

 

 

Is the reason you're not into black terriers because the lads you wanted to buy pups off last year wouldn't sell them to you ?

 

lol i told you something would be made up and there it is you can read you like the rubbish you write in books... ok who was i supposedly trying to buy black pups of last year then walter mitty? Tell me! The man from the north who you got yours off only got into terriers when the men who i dig with took him out he was in his 20s ffs.. hes 50 now if even lol... if any of you watched the wheaten programme on tg4 big terry is on it speaking about wheatens.. i had my first dig with him my father and cousin at 9 years of age..i had my last dig with him 4 weeks ago.. so who am i supposed to have tried to buy a patterdale off chunk??

LOL, every part of that post is either a lie or an untruth.

Daniel is right ,lets not ruin a good thread where Glyn is giving the truth on working lines that he's learned from experience and P3D has learned from books.

I'll leave it at that as it's the season of good will.

 

 

LOL, Chunk, good one, LOL. Say that to my face next time we meet.

 

 

 

To all those true working terriermen, good wishes to you and your loved ones.

shake hands lads

[Liamboy 1,266]

 

 

Was it more recently that the Levi Oakes blood was used?

gnipper , i don't know about Levi's blood being added this would be after the border blood in the ped posted by p3d, and it was the mating in those terriers i was interested as my dogs go back to a full brother to that bitch and a half brother , when you chat with Brian or as i was doing interviewing him a for a US mag , he is a very clever man and steers almost controls the interview keeping it on the track he wants it to be on , but i wanted dog specific information if he did use Levi's blood it wouldn't surprise me but i never discussed it with him so have no facts sorry

Any links to the interview? Wouldn't mind hearing it or reading it

[p3d 879]

 

 

Is the reason you're not into black terriers because the lads you wanted to buy pups off last year wouldn't sell them to you ?

lol i told you something would be made up and there it is you can read you like the rubbish you write in books... ok who was i supposedly trying to buy black pups of last year then walter mitty? Tell me! The man from the north who you got yours off only got into terriers when the men who i dig with took him out he was in his 20s ffs.. hes 50 now if even lol... if any of you watched the wheaten programme on tg4 big terry is on it speaking about wheatens.. i had my first dig with him my father and cousin at 9 years of age..i had my last dig with him 4 weeks ago.. so who am i supposed to have tried to buy a patterdale off chunk??

 

LOL, every part of that post is either a lie or an untruth.

Daniel is right ,lets not ruin a good thread where Glyn is giving the truth on working lines that he's learned from experience and P3D has learned from books.

I'll leave it at that as it's the season of good will.

 

 

LOL, Chunk, good one, LOL. Say that to my face next time we meet.

 

 

 

To all those true working terriermen, good wishes to you and your loved ones.

 

Neil,

You don't know me, we only met for a short time

But I know about you from what happened at the beginning of the I.W.T.F.

When the pressure came on and terrierwork needed men to stand shoulder to shoulder, we turned around and you were gone.

You choose sides with your NARGC and Mounted hunt buddies. It was the best thing that happened to be honest.

Could not stick another minute in your company, we were glad to be rid of you.

The darkest place in our memories is reserved for the people who bolted when the fight started.

 

Not the time or place here. The truth will come out in time. (Remember we kept all the emails).

Have a great Christmas to everyone.

P3D

 

PS. sorry lads for diverting from the post, only so much a person can take.

Back to topic.

[Glyn..... 5,208]

 

 

Was it more recently that the Levi Oakes blood was used?

gnipper , i don't know about Levi's blood being added this would be after the border blood in the ped posted by p3d, and it was the mating in those terriers i was interested as my dogs go back to a full brother to that bitch and a half brother , when you chat with Brian or as i was doing interviewing him a for a US mag , he is a very clever man and steers almost controls the interview keeping it on the track he wants it to be on , but i wanted dog specific information if he did use Levi's blood it wouldn't surprise me but i never discussed it with him so have no facts sorry

Any links to the interview? Wouldn't mind hearing it or reading it

 

no sorry the mag i was writing it for went pop so it only got to rough draft , and the tapes have a lot of personal chat on them so are private ,

[Lenmcharristar 9,786]

 

 

 

Is the reason you're not into black terriers because the lads you wanted to buy pups off last year wouldn't sell them to you ?

 

lol i told you something would be made up and there it is you can read you like the rubbish you write in books... ok who was i supposedly trying to buy black pups of last year then walter mitty? Tell me! The man from the north who you got yours off only got into terriers when the men who i dig with took him out he was in his 20s ffs.. hes 50 now if even lol... if any of you watched the wheaten programme on tg4 big terry is on it speaking about wheatens.. i had my first dig with him my father and cousin at 9 years of age..i had my last dig with him 4 weeks ago.. so who am i supposed to have tried to buy a patterdale off chunk??

LOL, every part of that post is either a lie or an untruth.

Daniel is right ,lets not ruin a good thread where Glyn is giving the truth on working lines that he's learned from experience and P3D has learned from books.

I'll leave it at that as it's the season of good will.

 

 

LOL, Chunk, good one, LOL. Say that to my face next time we meet.

 

 

 

To all those true working terriermen, good wishes to you and your loved ones.

Neil,

You don't know me, we only met for a short time

But I know about you from what happened at the beginning of the I.W.T.F.

When the pressure came on and terrierwork needed men to stand shoulder to shoulder, we turned around and you were gone.

You choose sides with your NARGC and Mounted hunt buddies. It was the best thing that happened to be honest.

Could not stick another minute in your company, we were glad to be rid of you.

The darkest place in our memories is reserved for the people who bolted when the fight started.

 

Not the time or place here. The truth will come out in time. (Remember we kept all the emails).

Have a great Christmas to everyone.

P3D

 

PS. sorry lads for diverting from the post, only so much a person can take.

Back to topic.

[morton 5,368]

With black been a dominant gene or colour even when out crossing to red or white at the time you would think their would be a lot more of evidence in photos of black dogs before the 60,s. It seems to be the era when they were getting established although I'm sure there was a few knocking about before this, they only seemed to get popular from buck/breay and then nuttal onwards. Nobody can say for sure and I'd only believe parts of what's in books because you never tend to see men making themselves or dogs out to be anything only the best but the hard black dog or any hard breed for that matter only started to dominate with the invention of locaters. I wish some honest man back in the day wrote a book about jackers and how to avoid them because at the end of the day this was and still is the most popular type.

Black terriers were evident among the tod hunters that travelled from afar as Scotland well over a century ago,as these lads were renowned for their terriers its more than probable these mutts played a major role in the development of the terriers worked and bred in the Dales and Fells.The Bedlington gene is possibly the most dominant one in terriers and is renowned for throwing black litters.I lined a red Fell,with little history of black in the mix,3 litters later not one threw to the red dam.The black terriers about now are certainly Beddy influenced,the Beddy was certainly influenced by its Northernmost cousins.There is still a distinctive Scottish terrier that is black,ruined by the KC,yet bred from workers in the day,that dog as more than a century or 2 in its history.

[dillydog 8,463]

Utter bollocks ! Just because you think it doesn't make it true. You can't "probably" have a major role, they either did or they didn't. As for the black terriers being Beddy influenced, what proof is there of that ?

I can take my pedigrees back further than my lifetime and there's not one jot of it.

I'll accept we're talking historically but at least try and provide some shred of evidence before you taint my Black's or anyone else's with Bedlington rubbish.

Edited December 24, 2016 by dillydog

[WEDGEY 753]

[morton 5,368]

Utter bollocks ! Just because you think it doesn't make it true. You can't "probably" have a major role, they either did or they didn't. As for the black terriers being Beddy influenced, what proof is there of that ?

I can take my pedigrees back further than my lifetime and there's not one jot of it.

I'll accept we're talking historically but at least try and provide some shred of evidence before you taint my Black's or anyone else's with Bedlington rubbish.

It was recently common for many a Lakey and Black Fell litter to throw pups with a blue top knot and many a Blue and tan lakey were evident.In the company of some of our older folk from that vicinity it became evident that the Bedlington was once a terrier utilised in many a lineage because of its work ethic.The Bedlington lost its cudos many decades ago and its unacceptable to many that anything they kennel could be influenced by the powder puffs that masquerade as Beddys now.Id rather admit to Beddy in the mix than some of breeding that haunts much of the Black dogs lineages.

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

 

 

 

 

 

Is the reason you're not into black terriers because the lads you wanted to buy pups off last year wouldn't sell them to you ?

lol i told you something would be made up and there it is you can read you like the rubbish you write in books... ok who was i supposedly trying to buy black pups of last year then walter mitty? Tell me! The man from the north who you got yours off only got into terriers when the men who i dig with took him out he was in his 20s ffs.. hes 50 now if even lol... if any of you watched the wheaten programme on tg4 big terry is on it speaking about wheatens.. i had my first dig with him my father and cousin at 9 years of age..i had my last dig with him 4 weeks ago.. so who am i supposed to have tried to buy a patterdale off chunk??

LOL, every part of that post is either a lie or an untruth.

Daniel is right ,lets not ruin a good thread where Glyn is giving the truth on working lines that he's learned from experience and P3D has learned from books.

I'll leave it at that as it's the season of good will.

 

 

LOL, Chunk, good one, LOL. Say that to my face next time we meet.

 

 

 

To all those true working terriermen, good wishes to you and your loved ones.

Neil,

You don't know me, we only met for a short time

But I know about you from what happened at the beginning of the I.W.T.F.

When the pressure came on and terrierwork needed men to stand shoulder to shoulder, we turned around and you were gone.

You choose sides with your NARGC and Mounted hunt buddies. It was the best thing that happened to be honest.

Could not stick another minute in your company, we were glad to be rid of you.

The darkest place in our memories is reserved for the people who bolted when the fight started.

 

Not the time or place here. The truth will come out in time. (Remember we kept all the emails).

Have a great Christmas to everyone.

P3D

 

PS. sorry lads for diverting from the post, only so much a person can take.

Back to topic.

There must have been a few people turned there backs on the iwtt then. I went to one of there first meetings as I was genuinely interested and willing to support them. Unfortunately at that meeting was two men I have done a bit with in the past and I would have plenty of time for. When they left the meeting they hadn't got the door closed behind them when the iwtf representative present started talking about them behind there backs trying to belittle them. Very unprofessional if you ask me. So I didn't hang about long after that. Then came the phone calls looking me to join etc. and when I queried a few things regarding terrierwork I was practically told I can't do this or that, i have to do it this way etc. or I wouldn't be welcome in the federation and so on. So after thinking about what went on and how someone I didn't really know was trying to tell me how I should go about working my terriers even though I've been doing it myself for 20 years without any problem or issues and my dogs don't spew after 40 mins! Then I came to the conclusion it wasn't for me and that was that. So shoulder to shoulder my bollocks. Edited December 24, 2016 by THE GENERAL

[gnipper 6,472]

 

 

Was it more recently that the Levi Oakes blood was used?

gnipper , i don't know about Levi's blood being added this would be after the border blood in the ped posted by p3d, and it was the mating in those terriers i was interested as my dogs go back to a full brother to that bitch and a half brother , when you chat with Brian or as i was doing interviewing him a for a US mag , he is a very clever man and steers almost controls the interview keeping it on the track he wants it to be on , but i wanted dog specific information if he did use Levi's blood it wouldn't surprise me but i never discussed it with him so have no facts sorry

Thanks for the reply Glyn. I've heard a few times over the years that Mr Nuttall had used that bloodline as an outcross so I was just thinking that could have been where the border in the pictured pedigree came from.

[Glyn..... 5,208]

 

 

Was it more recently that the Levi Oakes blood was used?

gnipper , i don't know about Levi's blood being added this would be after the border blood in the ped posted by p3d, and it was the mating in those terriers i was interested as my dogs go back to a full brother to that bitch and a half brother , when you chat with Brian or as i was doing interviewing him a for a US mag , he is a very clever man and steers almost controls the interview keeping it on the track he wants it to be on , but i wanted dog specific information if he did use Levi's blood it wouldn't surprise me but i never discussed it with him so have no facts sorry

Thanks for the reply Glyn. I've heard a few times over the years that Mr Nuttall had used that bloodline as an outcross so I was just thinking that could have been where the border in the pictured pedigree came from.

 

i don't believe Levi had borders when those mating took place i think it could of been Brian's own border , back then if you had a good working bitch breed or color didn't matter you take it to your chosen dog, if you where after breeding black pups any came black you kept them the whites the grizzles you sold,

i think at one time the line had a lot of bronze colored dogs i believe these where very dark grizzles a friend of mine had some bred down from BN Rocky and his son Micky, as he line bred them a lot of smooth border type pups turned up

Edited December 24, 2016 by Glyn.....

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Is the reason you're not into black terriers because the lads you wanted to buy pups off last year wouldn't sell them to you ?

lol i told you something would be made up and there it is you can read you like the rubbish you write in books... ok who was i supposedly trying to buy black pups of last year then walter mitty? Tell me! The man from the north who you got yours off only got into terriers when the men who i dig with took him out he was in his 20s ffs.. hes 50 now if even lol... if any of you watched the wheaten programme on tg4 big terry is on it speaking about wheatens.. i had my first dig with him my father and cousin at 9 years of age..i had my last dig with him 4 weeks ago.. so who am i supposed to have tried to buy a patterdale off chunk??

 

LOL, every part of that post is either a lie or an untruth.

Daniel is right ,lets not ruin a good thread where Glyn is giving the truth on working lines that he's learned from experience and P3D has learned from books.

I'll leave it at that as it's the season of good will.

 

 

LOL, Chunk, good one, LOL. Say that to my face next time we meet.

 

 

 

To all those true working terriermen, good wishes to you and your loved ones.

 

see you just shout statements with nothing to back them up!

Im not trying to ruin any thread im trying to be honest...

All terriers working and from lines will have a dash of this and that don't categorize them or dwell on great grand parents... just work them,

Thanks to WEDGEY and Corkman for the offer of pups. very much appreciated... I have terriers here that you can see working first!

I may not be worthy of a pup.

Fat Ferret thanks for the kind words and merry Christmas to you wife and young child....

Glyn good honest black dog history.

Merry Christmas and Happy new year everyone,,, and if don't worry what anyone else does.