A Razors Edge

[downsview 448]

A lot of talk disagreement about game,hard or baying terriers which is only normal.But what about origin keeping faith with the style a lot of lines strains or even breeds were bred to work in,magority of lads would expect a Russel to be a Bayer some pushier than others but is an out and out baying patterdale,lakeland or even border terrier a good example of its breed? .The law has changed life in general is very different but do we lay down hundreds of years of tradition to please the law ?.Do we reject the men that put so much time and effort into producing those breeds of game hard terriers .

[super d 85]

I'd say there would be a lot of good men turning in there graves if we turned our arse to it in the morning. There just is so much love for what we do and our buddy's waiting in there runs on a Saturday morning waiting for that backdoor to open see the life come into them they know what's coming. But I can say one thing it will dye out because there is not to many young lads interested in it times are changing even hunting with hounds same few lads no young lads to much hard work for them . It's a fact lads hunting will dye out . That's what I think but it might be different in other places .

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

I'd say there would be a lot of good men turning in there graves if we turned our arse to it in the morning. There just is so much love for what we do and our buddy's waiting in there runs on a Saturday morning waiting for that backdoor to open see the life come into them they know what's coming. But I can say one thing it will dye out because there is not to many young lads interested in it times are changing even hunting with hounds same few lads no young lads to much hard work for them . It's a fact lads hunting will dye out . That's what I think but it might be different in other places .

No shortage of terrierlads young or old my way!!

[super d 85]

 

I'd say there would be a lot of good men turning in there graves if we turned our arse to it in the morning. There just is so much love for what we do and our buddy's waiting in there runs on a Saturday morning waiting for that backdoor to open see the life come into them they know what's coming. But I can say one thing it will dye out because there is not to many young lads interested in it times are changing even hunting with hounds same few lads no young lads to much hard work for them . It's a fact lads hunting will dye out . That's what I think but it might be different in other places .

No shortage of terrierlads young or old my way!!

[Rat face 1,655]

this is just my opinion but if you breed for you baying type terriers you will soon run out of a line of working dogs, you need to breed the hardest to the hardest, if you breed from you baying stock and repeat this year after year you will end up dropping a hole to find your dog that is 3 feet off it game, nothing wrong with baying type terriers i have them and there 100% at what they do, but they wont be bread from

 

i don't think you can label any breed as a out and out baying type its just some lines/breeds have been kept more selective with there breeding, look at the border 50 year ago it was classed as a top working breed, but with not putting the right dogs with the right bitches the breed has gone to pot its only same as the beddy and the same way the lakeland is going, if you cant get the right bitches any line/breed will go to pot

[super d 85]

 

 

I'd say there would be a lot of good men turning in there graves if we turned our arse to it in the morning. There just is so much love for what we do and our buddy's waiting in there runs on a Saturday morning waiting for that backdoor to open see the life come into them they know what's coming. But I can say one thing it will dye out because there is not to many young lads interested in it times are changing even hunting with hounds same few lads no young lads to much hard work for them . It's a fact lads hunting will dye out . That's what I think but it might be different in other places .

No shortage of terrierlads young or old my way!!

that's the job bud. But in villages and towns its not looking great maybe in the city's its not to bad

[Shovel shy 4,033]

Were lucky here. My son and two nephews hunt every Sunday. And u can't go lamping without them

[downsview 448]

I find it a little strange when owners with a kennel of Lakeland's, patterdales or borders make statements decrying hard dogs if it has to spend a week or longer in the sick bay so be it that's what you expect from certain breeds the original intention of those that put a lot of effort and thought into a bolt or die type terrier.Wrecklessness or a do or die attitude protecting the flock in those times was a serious business.T o dig to a terrier sat off his fox baying away would suit many but would that dog be worthy of the name Lakeland patterdales or border,i think not.

Edited December 17, 2016 by downsview

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

What has been apparent over the years is lads not keeping so many .In our hay day (f**k me feeling old )we had 11 workers between two of us ,with always something to dig to .Havnt seen kennels full of terriers for years ,not workers anyway .Back then we had a hard ,rough type that needed the rest but I've leant towards a more versatile type in recent years .Saying that ,the bitch took a right pasting few weeks back but stayed to it, more the quarry being of a hard type.What I have learnt over the years is that there are dogs that want the aggro and create their own time off and there are those that will take it to stay til dug to which isn't the same .The OP is right about their heritage and I for one would rather give up than be forced to keep an out and out noise machine .

Oh and great title mate ,two of my most favourite past dogs names .

[Glyn..... 5,208]

two of my best have been "noise machine " both would bay until just before day light then they did the job and held tight

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

By noise machine I mean noisey yappers mate,hot air with no backup .Nothing wrong with a baying staying type with the minerals to stay put .

[smasher 1,055]

A good steady dog with the extra gear would be my dog of choice and will put more game on the bank,but is the hardest type to breed imo.

[Kaizer Sozĕ 266]

IMO you cant beat the "Game" sounder! (Not the 'hold me back yappers') A rough & ready type with the insatiable drive to dominate its foe from the get go, immediately putting pressure on their fox till pocketed up & continuing that pressure with relentless sounding/mixing, but also having the gears to up the anti if needs be. Enough to match the hardest of terriers.

[neil cooney 10,416]

A lot of talk disagreement about game,hard or baying terriers which is only normal.But what about origin keeping faith with the style a lot of lines strains or even breeds were bred to work in,magority of lads would expect a Russel to be a Bayer some pushier than others but is an out and out baying patterdale,lakeland or even border terrier a good example of its breed? .The law has changed life in general is very different but do we lay down hundreds of years of tradition to please the law ?.Do we reject the men that put so much time and effort into producing those breeds of game hard terriers .

The last few replies to your question are about what lads prefer nowadays but doesn't answer your question about who strives to breed or keep a type that is the same as the same type many, many years ago.

IMO only a few men can honestly put their hands on their hearts and say they do and those men are a few Jack Russell breeders and a few Fell breeders.

Only those Jack Russell breeders who strive for a JRT who'll work all quarry under ground using it's voice as it's greatest asset and only those Fell breeders who still use a hard terriers to kill or shift foxes from hard to reach places can say they've stayed loyal to the old standard. It doesn't matter if the terrier is wearing a locator collar or not, we're talking style and the terrier doesn't know what the collar is for.

 

The rest of us have moved with the times.

 

Most JRT breeders nowaday IMO are either bloody good terriermen or complete messers.

Border and Bedlington breeders are mostly money men and dreamers.

And breeders of the Fell / Lakeland types tend to be all of the above but IMO most nowadays who're serious about digging to their terriers use the Fell types and of the few types left that actually do work IMO the Fell is the one that has changed in it's style of work the most and IMO this is because those who take this type seriously also take their terrierwork seriously.

JMHO but the proof is in the pudding.

[Mixedgrill 704]

 

A lot of talk disagreement about game,hard or baying terriers which is only normal.But what about origin keeping faith with the style a lot of lines strains or even breeds were bred to work in,magority of lads would expect a Russel to be a Bayer some pushier than others but is an out and out baying patterdale,lakeland or even border terrier a good example of its breed? .The law has changed life in general is very different but do we lay down hundreds of years of tradition to please the law ?.Do we reject the men that put so much time and effort into producing those breeds of game hard terriers .

 

The last few replies to your question are about what lads prefer nowadays but doesn't answer your question about who strives to breed or keep a type that is the same as the same type many, many years ago.

IMO only a few men can honestly put their hands on their hearts and say they do and those men are a few Jack Russell breeders and a few Fell breeders.

Only those Jack Russell breeders who strive for a JRT who'll work all quarry under ground using it's voice as it's greatest asset and only those Fell breeders who still use a hard terriers to kill or shift foxes from hard to reach places can say they've stayed loyal to the old standard. It doesn't matter if the terrier is wearing a locator collar or not, we're talking style and the terrier doesn't know what the collar is for.

 

The rest of us have moved with the times.

 

Most JRT breeders nowaday IMO are either bloody good terriermen or complete messers.

Border and Bedlington breeders are mostly money men and dreamers.

And breeders of the Fell / Lakeland types tend to be all of the above but IMO most nowadays who're serious about digging to their terriers use the Fell types and of the few types left that actually do work IMO the Fell is the one that has changed in it's style of work the most and IMO this is because those who take this type seriously also take their terrierwork seriously.

JMHO but the proof is in the pudding.

so what your saying is if you keep fell types your in the top terrier league

Well that's me in with a chance LOL

But you do like to try and upset other terrier breeders ie Russell men the others I can't remember seeing any good ones myself

Edited December 17, 2016 by Mixedgrill