Seen This On The Young Lads Facebook.

[Guest Navek]

Yes. A mate of mine lost a dog with a collar on. Days later he had either a phone call or a visit (can't remember which) saying his dog was at the vets and the collar was registered to him. This is fact not hearsay.

feck me that's bad .. every one and his granny uses the bellmans

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

Obviously it's a rare occurance that a dog is lost with a collar on. But it has made me think what about the lads that sell collars they've bought brand new? Is their name and address forever linked with that collar?

[dillydog 8,463]

The micro chip doesn't require any verification on address or personal proof of identity, you could give any name address or postcode

[onion jonny 526]

once chipped the implanter lets the company(pet log)know your details they(pet log) then register you on their list and send you confirmation of this so if you give the wrong address the mail is returned plus the chip is registered to the implanter so they can trace it back to him who in turn could identify who took the dog for chipping. not fool proof but what is. plus when the implanter registers it on line if one of the questions is not quite right it doesnt allow the process to continue(address not been recognised by the post code)

Edited December 15, 2016 by onion jonny

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

If every collar sold by B+F was registered by them and kept on a data base, so if any dog goes missing and is found whether by the public, Police or RSPCA, they then contact B+F who in turn contact the buyer of the collar direct. Surely the amount of money they receive from the sale of these collars would justify this customer service! If a collar is sold on it would be up to the seller to transfer the details of the new owner to B+F for them to update their records! Again this is purely my personal opinion but surely with a bit of tweaking it surely must be a better solution to what is occurring at the present time!

[dillydog 8,463]

once chipped the implanter lets the company(pet log)know your details they(pet log) then register you on their list and send you confirmation of this so if you give the wrong address the mail is returned plus the chip is registered to the implanter so they can trace it back to him who in turn could identify who took the dog for chipping. not fool proof but what is. plus when the implanter registers it on line if one of the questions is not quite right it doesnt allow the process to continue(address not been recognised by the post code)

The implanter only has the information you give them, if it's not correct there's no traceability

[jiggy 3,209]

A non registered chip in law is the same as having no chip so it's pointless chipping them at all but I still think it would be hard for them to prove a dog hasn't been chipped because chips can fail like scanning a wet dog for example the chip doesn't read if dog is wet. If somebody was stopped with a dog with no chip,licence or docking cert and had old signs of work and said they seen the dog at a market the day before and didn't like the look of the man selling it but bought it because they felt sorry for it and new they could give it a better home away from that seller, who can prove otherwise you are in the process of registering this might take a few days. So called dog rescuers or fosters have dogs with old signs of work and this is fine it's not a crime for anyone but if you have a dog with fresh signs of work in your house or car then this is a crime unless you are about to or on your way to get immediate vet care for your dog. Any decent dog man who has a sore dog in his kennel and gets a knock on the door is surely just after returning from a days hunting left his dog in the kennel for a few minutes so he could go into his house and take off his mucky boots ,clothes and wash and change to not spread further infection before planning to return to kennel to rush his also washed dog to the nearest available vet.

Edited December 16, 2016 by jiggy

[Glyn..... 5,208]

If every collar sold by B+F was registered by them and kept on a data base, so if any dog goes missing and is found whether by the public, Police or RSPCA, they then contact B+F who in turn contact the buyer of the collar direct. Surely the amount of money they receive from the sale of these collars would justify this customer service! If a collar is sold on it would be up to the seller to transfer the details of the new owner to B+F for them to update their records! Again this is purely my personal opinion but surely with a bit of tweaking it surely must be a better solution to what is occurring at the present time!

A data base so the police and rspca can contact them b+f .....FFS how long until the police take that information and give it to the rspca and lads doing legal terrier work are pulled and framed or the names and addresses pasted on to ANTI'S and people are getting shit and dogs are going missing saved from their lives of hunting ...this thread should of been pulled

[jiggy 3,209]

Has anybody rang b+f to confirm this and hear what their policy on privacy is before everyone jumps the gun I would imagine it's illegal for them to disclose unless under warrant.

[Haiddheliwr 1,911]

They are doing it now Glyn! For the amount of money you are paying for a collar surely privacy is not asking too much?? B+F run an advert in EDRD and at no point do they suggest that the collar can be used for "badger baiting" as RSPCA seem to point out at every oppurtunity! We are both fighting the same battle Glyn and I feel that Privacy when buying these collars is paramount! Pull the thread if that is your opinion and let other lads lose their dogs!

[Onlyworkmatters 1,584]

The fact that Bellman & Flint will hand over your details to the police should be PINNED not PULLED

[Glyn..... 5,208]

i'm not fighting anyone this thread is nothing but bad news,

[leethedog 3,071]

At the end of the day if you are practicing terrier work with in the law and have a good vet record the law isn't your main concern anyway surely

[Glyn..... 5,208]

The fact that Bellman & Flint will hand over your details to the police should be PINNED not PULLED

would could maybe , the B+F is over priced and customer service shit but without the collar lot of terrier would have been lost ! rspca would kill every working terrier they could get there hands on, so lets not turn on our own its the rspca that are the problem

far as data base of addresses are concerned i be more worried about certain authors

Edited December 16, 2016 by Glyn.....

[pablo esc 1,598]

Not so simple though. The wrong man would get the knock on the door and all the rest of it