Evidence Of God???

[Born Hunter 17,843]

Those theories are just wild guesses are they not, with no scientific evidence whatsoever?

If you will yes, wild guesses. I'd call them untested theories.

 

The significance is that the 'improbability of the universe harboring life' problem isn't only solved by "well there must be a god then". There are other possible rational and natural explanations.

 

ALL OF THIS IS SPECULATION!

[DogFox123 1,379]

Is this something along with the theory you mentioned.

 

The universe as we know it, time, gravity, matter, space, basically all physical laws are the way they are to us because that's the only way we see them as observers?

[WILF 48,469]

I have a fleeting interest in the whole creation/evo argument so often listen to debates of this nature and tend to lean one way then the other but having heard David Attenborough say that humans are as closely related to chimpanzees as lions are to tigers the other night im completely back to square one !......as for what happens after we die who knows and that's just how it should be,but people saying they dont fear death no i dont quite buy that i think we all have a fear of death and thats perfectly natural.

I look at it like this mate, I see intelligent design in living things so to me saying we are closely related to chimps presents no problem......it's the same as saying a skoda is the same as a bently......it basically is but they are very different beasts.

If something works well (like the design of a brain or an elbow) then obviously you use that basic principal and adapt it to suit.......humans have done the very same with the aeroplane.......we can see that you need the wing principal so we nicked it.

[WILF 48,469]

The wing is a great example actually, a wing works by creating suction above and lift below.......now if that's not intelligent design I don't know what is.......but some say that is a complete accident of some atoms coming together!

[gnasher16 30,663]

 

I have a fleeting interest in the whole creation/evo argument so often listen to debates of this nature and tend to lean one way then the other but having heard David Attenborough say that humans are as closely related to chimpanzees as lions are to tigers the other night im completely back to square one !......as for what happens after we die who knows and that's just how it should be,but people saying they dont fear death no i dont quite buy that i think we all have a fear of death and thats perfectly natural.

I look at it like this mate, I see intelligent design in living things so to me saying we are closely related to chimps presents no problem......it's the same as saying a skoda is the same as a bently......it basically is but they are very different beasts.

If something works well (like the design of a brain or an elbow) then obviously you use that basic principal and adapt it to suit.......humans have done the very same with the aeroplane.......we can see that you need the wing principal so we nicked it.

 

Yep i can go with that......however without going into daft talk if the Skoda is the same as a Bentley what is the Rolls Royce relationship to the Bentley......ie.....theres a f****n big gap between humans and chimps apart from the obvious i cant see how we could possibly be classed as similar........and theres nothing closer to humans than chimps ?.....it almost sounds a bit of a desperate leap to connect the two im not sure about that.

[gnasher16 30,663]

 

I have a fleeting interest in the whole creation/evo argument so often listen to debates of this nature and tend to lean one way then the other but having heard David Attenborough say that humans are as closely related to chimpanzees as lions are to tigers the other night im completely back to square one !......as for what happens after we die who knows and that's just how it should be,but people saying they dont fear death no i dont quite buy that i think we all have a fear of death and thats perfectly natural.

We have had this conversation before, I honestly do not fear death, I do not embrace it or chase it but when my time comes I will "go quietly in to that deep dark night". I will go knowing I have done my job in propagating the species, which if truth be told is all we are here for. I will go knowing that a part of me will live on in perpetuity the same as my forefathers before me.

 

TC

 

Hoping not to offend you Tiercel but would you say your outlook in any way effects your instinct for survival ?.......what i mean is in a given situation,a house fire for example ( God forbid ) could you see yourself accepting your fate rather than putting up a bit of a fight.

[WILF 48,469]

I think we are thinking along the same lines all the same, a clever person would say if something works use it and that's what I see in nature........I just think if life is random then you wouldn't see well designed things (like wrists and knees) repeating itself.

[terryd 8,806]

Lot a people moaning that they hate folk pressing God tryin to get them to believe yet they are in a God thread sayin it's a load of shite and pressing their atheist beliefs. Ironic.

 

we are not pressing any thing but if some one starts a thread saying there is a god then some one is going to say no there is not.

I think there is not and all this church lark baffles me with all the praying. But if it helps and makes people feel good so be it. But I doubt any one up there is listening

[kanny 21,171]

 

 

 

 

I have a fleeting interest in the whole creation/evo argument so often listen to debates of this nature and tend to lean one way then the other but having heard David Attenborough say that humans are as closely related to chimpanzees as lions are to tigers the other night im completely back to square one !......as for what happens after we die who knows and that's just how it should be,but people saying they dont fear death no i dont quite buy that i think we all have a fear of death and thats perfectly natural.

 

I look at it like this mate, I see intelligent design in living things so to me saying we are closely related to chimps presents no problem......it's the same as saying a skoda is the same as a bently......it basically is but they are very different beasts.

If something works well (like the design of a brain or an elbow) then obviously you use that basic principal and adapt it to suit.......humans have done the very same with the aeroplane.......we can see that you need the wing principal so we nicked it.

Yep i can go with that......however without going into daft talk if the Skoda is the same as a Bentley what is the Rolls Royce relationship to the Bentley......ie.....theres a f****n big gap between humans and chimps apart from the obvious i cant see how we could possibly be classed as similar........and theres nothing closer to humans than chimps ?.....it almost sounds a bit of a desperate leap to connect the two im not sure about that.

We are talking monkeys clinging to a organic spaceship spinning on its axis .at a 1000 mph and and traveling round the sun at 66500mph that's travelling round the milky way at 52000 mph that's travelling through space at 1.2 million mph .....I think we had better pray to someone we dont hit turbulence lol

[Tiercel 6,986]

 

 

I have a fleeting interest in the whole creation/evo argument so often listen to debates of this nature and tend to lean one way then the other but having heard David Attenborough say that humans are as closely related to chimpanzees as lions are to tigers the other night im completely back to square one !......as for what happens after we die who knows and that's just how it should be,but people saying they dont fear death no i dont quite buy that i think we all have a fear of death and thats perfectly natural.

We have had this conversation before, I honestly do not fear death, I do not embrace it or chase it but when my time comes I will "go quietly in to that deep dark night". I will go knowing I have done my job in propagating the species, which if truth be told is all we are here for. I will go knowing that a part of me will live on in perpetuity the same as my forefathers before me.

 

TC

 

Hoping not to offend you Tiercel but would you say your outlook in any way effects your instinct for survival ?.......what i mean is in a given situation,a house fire for example ( God forbid ) could you see yourself accepting your fate rather than putting up a bit of a fight.

 

I still have an instinct for survival, I am not ready yet. My rational is that we are all going to die at some point, it is the only certainty in life. Some find that hard to accept, I do not, I know it's coming so why fear it? I think the fact that both my parents died young shaped the way I see life, things happen thought everyone's life especially when young that change how we see the world, I think in my case it just made me more pragmatic.

 

TC

[Silversnake 1,099]

To be honest it would be a lot easier on us if everyone believed we were created naturally, imagine the fuss over which god created us if there was actually some real evidence of any god creating us ?

Would it be the biggest religion claiming victory or the oldest, maybe they will have to do a playoff style system to decide who wins, just the draw would be an event with 120 odd gods claimed to of created life and maybe a few others sitting in the wings waiting to declare.

Haha too true, if we knew there was a god but we didn't know which faith's god was the true god what would we do?

[Silversnake 1,099]

The question is does anyone actually believe we will ever find the origins of the universe and life itself? I don't think we will ever discover the answer tbh....

We will find out, I just hope it is in my life time

[gnasher16 30,663]

 

We are talking monkeys clinging to a organic spaceship spinning on its axis .at a 1000 mph and and traveling round the sun at 66500mph that's travelling round the milky way at 52000 mph that's travelling through space at 1.2 million mph .....I think we had better pray to someone we dont hit turbulence lol

 

If we are just talking monkeys.....are monkeys therefore just dumb humans ?.....for a talking monkey you certainly know some shit about space

[gnasher16 30,663]

 

 

 

I have a fleeting interest in the whole creation/evo argument so often listen to debates of this nature and tend to lean one way then the other but having heard David Attenborough say that humans are as closely related to chimpanzees as lions are to tigers the other night im completely back to square one !......as for what happens after we die who knows and that's just how it should be,but people saying they dont fear death no i dont quite buy that i think we all have a fear of death and thats perfectly natural.

We have had this conversation before, I honestly do not fear death, I do not embrace it or chase it but when my time comes I will "go quietly in to that deep dark night". I will go knowing I have done my job in propagating the species, which if truth be told is all we are here for. I will go knowing that a part of me will live on in perpetuity the same as my forefathers before me.

 

TC

 

Hoping not to offend you Tiercel but would you say your outlook in any way effects your instinct for survival ?.......what i mean is in a given situation,a house fire for example ( God forbid ) could you see yourself accepting your fate rather than putting up a bit of a fight.

 

I still have an instinct for survival, I am not ready yet. My rational is that we are all going to die at some point, it is the only certainty in life. Some find that hard to accept, I do not, I know it's coming so why fear it? I think the fact that both my parents died young shaped the way I see life, things happen thought everyone's life especially when young that change how we see the world, I think in my case it just made me more pragmatic.

 

TC

 

Makes sense i suppose i just think thats so sad....not wishing to patronise you but i dread getting to the stage of life you are at ive led a very full life but theres so much i still want to do that the thought of death at this point fills me with fear even though im not stupid and i know its coming i just think its so sad to accept it prematurely....i agree things that happen through life shape your expectations i guess we just all use those experiences in different ways....interesting....cheers.