Trial Of Britain First Terrorist Tommy Mair Starts

[Blackbriar 8,569]

And, for that reason, I'm leaving this thread........

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They want to call the bloke a terrorist because that's exactly what he is.

I think the dictionary definition confirms that he is a terrorist - although the word is so overused that it's losing its true meaning.

To call him a "Britain First terrorist" is, at very best, tenuous and, at worst, downright dishonest, for the reasons I gave above.

I'll admit it's a bit of an oversimplification used as a headline but I'm sure we can agree based on what we know of his motives and ideology that "right wing nationalist terrorist" fits perfectly.

No ! We most definitely do NOT agree !

 

Terrorist yes, by definition....but.....

 

My objection is - apart from the many I've already raised - that you're equating "right wing", "nationalist"and " terrorist" into one homogenised lump, in an underhand attempt to suggest that the three things are interchangeable.

Thomas Mair had no concrete affiliations to any right wing group. No right wing or nationalist group has him listed among their members or supporters. No right wing group 'put him up to it',or have supported or condoned his actions. No right wing group has claimed his actions to be on their behalf.......

 

You're flogging a dead horse, mate, and you won't run me in circles as easily as you do some others - I'm not necessarily a supporter of Britain First, but I very much resent the attempt to tar all right wingers with cheap, scurrilous insinuations !

So he's a lone wolf, doesn't change his motivation or political ideology.

 

I'm trying to do no such thing, this scumbag is part of a very tiny minority as I've said a few times in this thread, the vast majority of even the most extreme right wing nationalists would never dream of doing anything like this and I've never tried to insinuate otherwise. I've never been the type to condemn a whole group based on the actions of a tiny minority and I'm not about to start now.

 

All of that doesn't change the fact that all available evidence points to the fact he's a terrorist who carried out this attack in an attempt to further his right wing, nationalist agenda.

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

We can settle part of this easily.

The dictionary definition of "terrorism"......

 

noun

1.

the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

 

So, using that definition, it IS fair to call this man a terrorist, I think.

 

I'm not sure at what point he becomes a "Britain First terrorist", however. That organisation is not proscribed (banned), or recognised as having connections or tendencies that could be attributed to the above definition. They do not encourage or condone violence in their name (as with 'Islamic State' and their ilk), and they have not claimed or sought any 'credit' for this attack.

 

 

"Britain First terrorist" has clearly been concocted to sell tabloid newspapers and make a snappy soundbite.......and to allow some people to be baited by a mischievous leftie !

I don't think he is being mischievous, I think he is trying to be manipulative, it is just that no one takes him seriously.

You take him seriously

Whatever gave you that impression?

[WILF 46,832]

They want to call the bloke a terrorist because that's exactly what he is.

Ever seen the film "Falling Down" ?.........I'd say the bloke is probably as much of a terrorist as the lead character in that film.

 

But let's humour the headline makers for a minute.......let's take the juicy term "right wing"........does that make whole swathes of former labour voters, ex union men who may have stood on the picket lines in the miners strike right wing ??

 

Millions of Europeans and Americans are turning away from the "lefts" agenda of cultural genocide.......they are angry......does that make them all hard right ?

[Francie 6,368]

No wilf id say normal mate.

[johnny.w 316]

It seems anyone who resents their country being overrun by foreigners who don't want to integrate is labelled as hard right like it's some kind of insult.

 

If that's the case I must be righter than right.

[mackay 3,364]

Be prepared for more of this left wing pish, the wind is changing and they (lefties) see their dream of liberal lefty utopia literally disintegrating before their own eyes.

Up until not so long ago I sat in despair watching the news, interviews, the likes of question time etc.

Then came Brexit and Trumps victory and I realised the crap and lies being fed to each and everyone of us.

Next to go will be a couple of European governments, then the eu is next.

The future is bright, the future is right.

[Silversnake 1,099]

Be prepared for more of this left wing pish, the wind is changing and they (lefties) see their dream of liberal lefty utopia literally disintegrating before their own eyes.

Up until not so long ago I sat in despair watching the news, interviews, the likes of question time etc.

Then came Brexit and Trumps victory and I realised the crap and lies being fed to each and everyone of us.

Next to go will be a couple of European governments, then the eu is next.

The future is bright, the future is right.

The thing I don't understand about the liberal lefty utopia is that very early on foreigners were massively over represented in welfare fraud, crime, drugs, rape and ghettos, why have the lefties clung to their dream so long? It was plain to see a long time ago that not only it wasn't working but will never work. I have really never understood why they cling to the dream while so many people and communities suffer.

[tatsblisters 9,762]

 

Be prepared for more of this left wing pish, the wind is changing and they (lefties) see their dream of liberal lefty utopia literally disintegrating before their own eyes.

Up until not so long ago I sat in despair watching the news, interviews, the likes of question time etc.

Then came Brexit and Trumps victory and I realised the crap and lies being fed to each and everyone of us.

Next to go will be a couple of European governments, then the eu is next.

The future is bright, the future is right.

The thing I don't understand about the liberal lefty utopia is that very early on foreigners were massively over represented in welfare fraud, crime, drugs, rape and ghettos, why have the lefties clung to their dream so long? It was plain to see a long time ago that not only it wasn't working but will never work. I have really never understood why they cling to the dream while so many people and communities suffer.

 

Those hard leftys I have been around in the past all had one thing in common they hated the country they lived in one of the reasons they all want open borders to try and change British traditions and in some cases way of life.

[mackay 3,364]

 

Be prepared for more of this left wing pish, the wind is changing and they (lefties) see their dream of liberal lefty utopia literally disintegrating before their own eyes.

Up until not so long ago I sat in despair watching the news, interviews, the likes of question time etc.

Then came Brexit and Trumps victory and I realised the crap and lies being fed to each and everyone of us.

Next to go will be a couple of European governments, then the eu is next.

The future is bright, the future is right.

The thing I don't understand about the liberal lefty utopia is that very early on foreigners were massively over represented in welfare fraud, crime, drugs, rape and ghettos, why have the lefties clung to their dream so long? It was plain to see a long time ago that not only it wasn't working but will never work. I have really never understood why they cling to the dream while so many people and communities suffer.

 

Basically they hate their own country and kind so much, they don't care how it and us get fcuked as long as it and us are getting fcuked.

[tatsblisters 9,762]

 

 

Be prepared for more of this left wing pish, the wind is changing and they (lefties) see their dream of liberal lefty utopia literally disintegrating before their own eyes.

Up until not so long ago I sat in despair watching the news, interviews, the likes of question time etc.

Then came Brexit and Trumps victory and I realised the crap and lies being fed to each and everyone of us.

Next to go will be a couple of European governments, then the eu is next.

The future is bright, the future is right.

The thing I don't understand about the liberal lefty utopia is that very early on foreigners were massively over represented in welfare fraud, crime, drugs, rape and ghettos, why have the lefties clung to their dream so long? It was plain to see a long time ago that not only it wasn't working but will never work. I have really never understood why they cling to the dream while so many people and communities suffer.

 

Basically they hate their own country and kind so much, they don't care how it and us get fcuked as long as it and us are getting fcuked.

 

Its one of the reasons I realized they are the real enemy of the ordinary working class people of this country despite all their bullshit and so called working class solidarity I also came across a few who like me were from ireish decent many generations back who some how thought they were hard done too by the country they lived in.

[WILF 46,832]

The great thing, on a positive note, that the left has achieved is to bring lads who formerly would have probably detested each other politically together.

Be you from a labour or conservative background we have all seen that we have a common enemy and that we are really not that different, we are just trying to live, provide and have a nice society for our families to grow up in.

 

We don't want this shit.....we just want to be left alone.

[BGD 6,436]

 

They want to call the bloke a terrorist because that's exactly what he is.

Ever seen the film "Falling Down" ?.........I'd say the bloke is probably as much of a terrorist as the lead character in that film.

 

But let's humour the headline makers for a minute.......let's take the juicy term "right wing"........does that make whole swathes of former labour voters, ex union men who may have stood on the picket lines in the miners strike right wing ??

 

Millions of Europeans and Americans are turning away from the "lefts" agenda of cultural genocide.......they are angry......does that make them all hard right ?

Erm if they hold right wing views then yes? Right wing isn't a dirty word or insult you know, it's just a descriptor of a political stance

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