General Licence

[walshie 2,804]

I shoot a lot at this time of year around the barns as they come in to roost. The amount of faeces they drop in the barns they roost in, is disgusting and surely, a Health hazzard to farmworkers who have to work in these places?

 

I can see that one, yes. and it is covered on the GL.

 

I was saying shooting pigeons in trees because they might shit in barns or eat crops or whatever isn't. Or at least to my understanding of it.

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

Often thaught about this too, when shooting pigeons on areas where there not feeding on crops directly at the time - then it's early shooting in perperation for when they actually are.

But surely you can't shoot something for what it might do but hasn't done yet?

Very true walshie can't argue with that to be honest.

 

Edit: no doubt they have been at some point tho.

 

 

If we set that as a precedent, the cops could be arresting us and charging us for stuff they think we might do in the future.

[tomburras 2,730]

Bloody hell lol what should we do then? Stop shooting unless we witness it eating crops or spreading a disease.

[walshie 2,804]

Bloody hell lol what should we do then? Stop shooting unless we witness it eating crops or spreading a disease.

 

That's exaclty what I was trying to get at.

 

It was only a hypothetical question really. Kept us amused for minutes.

 

My opinion was if push came to shove, could you use the GL to justify shooting (and I'm using a woodpigeon purely as an example) if it isn't eating crops, isn't spreading disease, isn't being a H&S problem and isn't damaging flora or fauna? I would suggest not.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

It is a tricky one for sure but, to be frank, how likely is it to be looked at?

 

Those pigeons in the the trees 100yrds away in late afternoon are surely going to be the ones roosting and shitting in the barns after dark.

[tomburras 2,730]

Good point walshie, Got the thaughts rolling. It will be Intresting to hear others opinions but no doubt for example pigeons are a menace to someone somewhere and it's a team effort to control them. If it was made mandatory to only shoot them on the basis of witnessing them feeding on crops at the time or spreading a disease then shooting would be fooked!

[walshie 2,804]

It is a tricky one for sure but, to be frank, how likely is it to be looked at?

 

Those pigeons in the the trees 100yrds away in late afternoon are surely going to be the ones roosting and shitting in the barns after dark.

 

I don't think it's at all likely to be looked at.

 

I was just wondering if it was, would you have a leg to stand on?

 

Surely those pigeons you talk about are likely to be the ones crapping in your barn, but until they do, the GL doesn't cover it in my eyes. A pigeon looking like it might want to crap in your barn is completely different to one that is.

[walshie 2,804]

Good point walshie, Got the thaughts rolling. It will be Intresting to hear others opinions but no doubt for example pigeons are a menace to someone somewhere and it's a team effort to control them. If it was made mandatory to only shoot them on the basis of witnessing them feeding on crops at the time or spreading a disease then shooting would be fooked!

 

Agreed, but if pigeons being a menace to someone somewhere was a good enough reason to shoot them, you wouldn't need the GL and it wouldn't have clauses as to under what circumstances you could shoot them.

[tomburras 2,730]

Mmm not sure what your thinking?

 

Sounds like you think the general licence is vague and unclear. If so I agree completely! But rather than that than more guidelines complicating things further.

[walshie 2,804]

Mmm not sure what your thinking?

 

Sounds like you think the general licence is vague and unclear. If so I agree completely! But rather than that than more guidelines complicating things further.

 

Just the opposite. I think the GL is perfectly clear and specific. I think people choose to ignore the bits they don't like, or use some spurious reason to justify their actions.

 

As said, I have nothing against shooting birds in general. I thought it was a decent subject for people to contribute their thoughts and ideas to.

[bigmac 97kt 13,812]

I shoot a lot of crows in lambing season and i mean a lot .at one of my perms

 

as they peck the eyes out of the new born lambs

 

iv seen this with my own eye,s and its not nice too see a new born lamb walking around and into things when they have no eyes .

 

But what would that come under in the G,L if it dose at all

 

atvbmac :thumbs:

[tomburras 2,730]

Clear as in species to be shot yes but circumstances meeting the general licence and are shot are shot under was your question why. At the end of the day they are pests and provide us with nice meat and help farmers with their problems. Win win.

[walshie 2,804]

I shoot a lot of crows in lambing season and i mean a lot .at one of my perms

 

as they peck the eyes out of the new born lambs

 

iv seen this with my own eye,s and its not nice too see a new born lamb walking around and into things when they have no eyes .

 

But what would that come under in the G,L if it dose at all

 

atvbmac :thumbs:

 

Yes. Under the part referring to protecting flora and fauna. Nothing wrong with that.

[walshie 2,804]

Clear as in species to be shot yes but circumstances meeting the general licence and are shot are shot under was your question why. At the end of the day they are pests and provide us with nice meat and help farmers with their problems. Win win.

 

I think the circumstances they can be shot are spelt out in black and white. I'm just saying that people either choose to ignore those circumstances or put their own spin on them.

 

I don't think nice meat was one of them....unfortunately.

[tomburras 2,730]

 

Clear as in species to be shot yes but circumstances meeting the general licence and are shot are shot under was your question why. At the end of the day they are pests and provide us with nice meat and help farmers with their problems. Win win.

 

I think the circumstances they can be shot are spelt out in black and white. I'm just saying that people either choose to ignore those circumstances or put their own spin on them.

 

I don't think nice meat was one of them....unfortunately.

Oh well lol. I can see where your coming from tho. But ill defiantly shoot the next pigeon on the stubbles lol. Interesting debate! Atb tom.