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I guess you could call me old fashironed, others just call me a miserable cnut, but I don't feel the need to fit in with the crowd,and go out every weekend and drink and sniff my way through my weeks

I'm always glad to hear it gets easier because it's certainly not easy now. The kids are warm/fed and want for nowt though and that's all that matters to me.

Looks like I'm the odd one out.......   I've lived under 11 different Prime Ministers - and I've been poor under every one of the f***ers !

We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

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Good luck to them I say, it's their twilight years ffs.......I haven't took a penny off my parents since I started working. They are in their mid 70's now leading separate lives & they can spend every last penny as far as I'm concerned........I wish they'd done more to be honest.

 

There are always ways & means....without relying on hand outs........,but maybe I'm wrong

 

 

If you don't need money,you don't need it.

 

I luckily don't need anyone's help,that's good for anyone whether it's because they've done well,been lucky or got a successful sugar momma to look after them :laugh:

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its nice to have plenty of cash ,but your health is very important to

Health is wealth as they say,money is easy come easy go,health is as you say wayyyyy more important.
Couldn't have put that better mate! ?
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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

 

There's a few things there Id disagree with,overpopulation is the root cause for the price of houses and mass unskilled immigration keeps the working mans wage low,not austerity measures.

 

But the selfishness of government isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

Having net immigration around 350,000 a year has not exactly helped matters.

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

it did not help things when councils sold off there council homes for a pittance to tenants that sold them on after a couple of years,over a third of all council homes are now owned by rich landlords

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

it did not help things when councils sold off there council homes for a pittance to tenants that sold them on after a couple of years,over a third of all council homes are now owned by rich landlords

 

If they had sold them for enough to build another house and actually done it, then it would have been a good idea.

I could have bought my nans house 25 years ago for £26,000, place is worth £350,000 now, I could have afforded the mortgage on apprentice wages back then.

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greg64 your right mate my mate owns a load of ex council houses,problaby about 20 and most were bought at auction off people that bought them from the council,but could not keep up with there mortgage

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

 

There's a few things there Id disagree with,overpopulation is the root cause for the price of houses and mass unskilled immigration keeps the working mans wage low,not austerity measures.

 

But the selfishness of government isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

The lack of trade union power plus relentless austerity measures have led to stagnant wages in the UK. It doesn't matter how many workers are applying for a vacancy as long have a solid union insisting on proper wages and conditions.

The tories have introduced such punitive laws with regard to the power of the unions that they have rendered powerless poodles.The Sun and The Daily Mail have also brainwashed people into thinking unions are bad. In fact the unions, together with The Labour Party when it was a genuine party fro working people dragged this country out of the dark ages.

Ironically, having destroyed the unions, the tories then had to increase the minimum wage because people were(are) being paid washers. Unbelievable.

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

 

There's a few things there Id disagree with,overpopulation is the root cause for the price of houses and mass unskilled immigration keeps the working mans wage low,not austerity measures.

 

But the selfishness of government isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

The lack of trade union power plus relentless austerity measures have led to stagnant wages in the UK. It doesn't matter how many workers are applying for a vacancy as long have a solid union insisting on proper wages and conditions.

The tories have introduced such punitive laws with regard to the power of the unions that they have rendered powerless poodles.The Sun and The Daily Mail have also brainwashed people into thinking unions are bad. In fact the unions, together with The Labour Party when it was a genuine party fro working people dragged this country out of the dark ages.

Ironically, having destroyed the unions, the tories then had to increase the minimum wage because people were(are) being paid washers. Unbelievable.

 

Are you saying that mass immigration has had no impact on low wages and jobs especialy in the old mining communitys.

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

 

There's a few things there Id disagree with,overpopulation is the root cause for the price of houses and mass unskilled immigration keeps the working mans wage low,not austerity measures.

 

But the selfishness of government isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

The lack of trade union power plus relentless austerity measures have led to stagnant wages in the UK. It doesn't matter how many workers are applying for a vacancy as long have a solid union insisting on proper wages and conditions.

The tories have introduced such punitive laws with regard to the power of the unions that they have rendered powerless poodles.The Sun and The Daily Mail have also brainwashed people into thinking unions are bad. In fact the unions, together with The Labour Party when it was a genuine party fro working people dragged this country out of the dark ages.

Ironically, having destroyed the unions, the tories then had to increase the minimum wage because people were(are) being paid washers. Unbelievable.

 

When supply and demand are kept more within the confines of a country, then union intervention is much less needed.

Also unions are the reason why people think unions are bad, they tend to be far too political, even so much as trying to destroy the countries economy back in the 70's.

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We can agree on one thing neems, and that is that the differential between wages and property prices is outrageous. However, I believe the cause of this is twofold.Firstly wage rises in this country have lagged behind every country in Europe, principally because people in this country swallowed the lie that swingeing austerity measures were necessary to 'balance the books'. Suddenly every halfwit was banging on about the 'deficit' as if they knew what it meant. The government should have taken the opportunity to invest in the country's economy and infrastructure whilst interest rates were so historically low. Inflation is forecast to rise steeply following brexit ...this would would have further reduced the country's loan payments. But that simple measure, recommended by many of the world's leading economists ( left and right) was beyond the clueless George Osbourne. Instead he drove down wages as though to 'blame' the very people who had nothing to do with the financial crash. Falling wage levels results in less money swilling about the economy, which in turn impacts on every other economic indicator.

Secondly, successive governments have scandalously failed to build enough houses for Britain's growing population. I believe this is because politicians of whatever political persuasion have a withering contempt for the british people. It's supply and demand less houses to buy means higher house prices.

 

There's a few things there Id disagree with,overpopulation is the root cause for the price of houses and mass unskilled immigration keeps the working mans wage low,not austerity measures.

 

But the selfishness of government isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

The lack of trade union power plus relentless austerity measures have led to stagnant wages in the UK. It doesn't matter how many workers are applying for a vacancy as long have a solid union insisting on proper wages and conditions.

The tories have introduced such punitive laws with regard to the power of the unions that they have rendered powerless poodles.The Sun and The Daily Mail have also brainwashed people into thinking unions are bad. In fact the unions, together with The Labour Party when it was a genuine party fro working people dragged this country out of the dark ages.

Ironically, having destroyed the unions, the tories then had to increase the minimum wage because people were(are) being paid washers. Unbelievable.

Jesus Christ, none of this is the solution......it's part of the fecking problem!!

You hand over your money to a union or a government or who ever and in return they provide things you can't be bothered to do yourself and the price you pay is your freedom and a life on the debt wheel.

 

I was in the city of London the other day and looked up at all the buildings and thought to myself......if they just let people keep their own money then all of this ends !!

 

You wouldn't have debt in your car, you could pay off your house.......you use your money however you choose.......not work half your life for someone else to decide how it gets spent and never have enough to get off the wheel !

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