Shit On By The Country He Served

[dark-destroyer-85 636]

 

 

 

 

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You don't honestly agree with him being jailed surely ?

He's a convicted murderer, jail sounds like the right place for him

hes hardly a murderer for killing a enemy in war more of hero in my eyes just remember it's folk like him who keep us safe after all

He's a murderer in the eyes of the law and at the end of the day that's what counts.

you need to give your head a shake you can't be serious you must just like winding people up if you are serious your a Fecking fool

[marshman 7,757]

 

 

 

 

It's all very well shouting about the Geneva convention and the rules of combat etc ... but these rules were written by men in offices wearing smart suites and clean shirts ... the reality is that nobody can make a call on what happens at the sharp end except the lads that are there in that moment ... anybody that hasn't been in that environment day after day after day getting shot at mortered potentially stepping on an IED at any second fighting in 40+ degrees carrying 50lbs of kit with shit food to eat minimal water to drink and watching lads you've lived with die in front of you can in no way contemplate what mind state a soldier is in during a contact and no way are you remotely qualified to determine that the man in question should be jailed ... this is a soldier fighting a war he didn't want to be part of to look after the exact people that reckon he should be jailed .... fukcing shame on you ..........

no shame on me I didn't make the rules I didn't break the rules and I didn't grass him either . All I said was you can't have rules and use them when it suits . Even though I do feel for the bloke

and as I stated mate you have absolutely no comprehension of what it's out like there living on your every nerve every second of the day ..........

that's true ! So where do you draw the line then ? you've been there so you'd know

You draw the line once the job is done ... its a dirty war out there and they play by their own rules ... that taliban fighter will have been flown to a military hospital treated and more than likely let go to carry on fighting against the very soldiers that would have saved him ... he could quite easily have gone on to press the button of an ied that could have killed 10 soldiers ... he was the enemy that was trying to kill the soldiers that killed him its that simple really ......

the thing is I do understand what your saying it's like your fighting with one arm tied behind your back I get that mate . But at the end of the day the army is built on rules and that's what separates us from them . You can't have rules for everything and then not when it suits . I don't know why I'm debating this as I do feel for him I'll leave it that ?

[desertbred 5,490]

A soldier gets paid to do a job, he trains for it and how he does it means that he and his comrades survive or dont. I personally dont have a problem with what he did , my problem stems from is some knob thought it was clever to down load the action onto a computer hard drive and it cost their sarge his liberty. The unit should function as a unit other wise it costs lives .it only takes one to break rank and your all f****d. Hes done 3 years its nearly over isnt it so suck it up and make sure it doesnt occur again.lesson learnt and all that.

Edited October 29, 2016 by desertbred

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

 

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You don't honestly agree with him being jailed surely ?

He's a convicted murderer, jail sounds like the right place for him

hes hardly a murderer for killing a enemy in war more of hero in my eyes just remember it's folk like him who keep us safe after all

He's a murderer in the eyes of the law and at the end of the day that's what counts.

What counts is the man left his wife and kids at home to go to a hostile country to fight so that people such as yourself don't have to leave their wife and kids and you can sleep safely at night .........

[gnasher16 30,121]

Much as im loathe to go against my own or comment on something i know f**k all about it does seem a pretty f****n stupid thing to do in the company of untrustworthy people.....ok he might of thought he could trust the blokes around him but like many things in life theres often a hard lesson learned through lack of loyalty and its rarely the disloyal party that suffer !................what id like to know and maybe one of you lads with relevant experience could explain........why is it in the Geneva Convention not to kill a wounded soldier in the first place ?.....what im asking is whats the problem with killing the geezer ?.....morally or strategically.....its war aint it ?

Edited October 29, 2016 by gnasher16

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If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You don't honestly agree with him being jailed surely ?

He's a convicted murderer, jail sounds like the right place for him

hes hardly a murderer for killing a enemy in war more of hero in my eyes just remember it's folk like him who keep us safe after all

He's a murderer in the eyes of the law and at the end of the day that's what counts.

What counts is the man left his wife and kids at home to go to a hostile country to fight so that people such as yourself don't have to leave their wife and kids and you can sleep safely at night .........

I reckon being a murderer in the eyes of law counts for a lot to the bloke sitting in jail for 8 years because of it

 

I never could get my head round the argument that soldiers in Afghanistan were fighting so people in Britain could sleep soundly in their beds at night, what existential threat were they protecting us from? Were the Taliban planning an invasion of Britain? I must of missed that.

[General lee 979]

He didn't murder a innocent child or a innocent woman or innocent man for that matter he didn't murder anyone he killed a enemy a enemy he was sent over there to kill the man he killed was a short time before trying to kill him and any other British soldier he could find he did what he was supposed to do I'm my opinion and it has nothing to do with the police

[nans pat 2,575]

hes prob in an open nick doing handy time,hele write a book and earn more than he ever would in the army.

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You don't honestly agree with him being jailed surely ?

He's a convicted murderer, jail sounds like the right place for him

hes hardly a murderer for killing a enemy in war more of hero in my eyes just remember it's folk like him who keep us safe after all

He's a murderer in the eyes of the law and at the end of the day that's what counts.

What counts is the man left his wife and kids at home to go to a hostile country to fight so that people such as yourself don't have to leave their wife and kids and you can sleep safely at night .........

I reckon being a murderer in the eyes of law counts for a lot to the bloke sitting in jail for 8 years because of it

I never could get my head round the argument that soldiers in Afghanistan were fighting so people in Britain could sleep soundly in their beds at night, what existential threat were they protecting us from? Were the Taliban planning an invasion of Britain? I must of missed that.

So you don't think that if the taliban Isis etc are not curtailed in their homeland and are allowed to grow they wouldn't start a sustained attack on western countries ......

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If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You don't honestly agree with him being jailed surely ?

He's a convicted murderer, jail sounds like the right place for him

hes hardly a murderer for killing a enemy in war more of hero in my eyes just remember it's folk like him who keep us safe after all

He's a murderer in the eyes of the law and at the end of the day that's what counts.

What counts is the man left his wife and kids at home to go to a hostile country to fight so that people such as yourself don't have to leave their wife and kids and you can sleep safely at night .........

I reckon being a murderer in the eyes of law counts for a lot to the bloke sitting in jail for 8 years because of it

I never could get my head round the argument that soldiers in Afghanistan were fighting so people in Britain could sleep soundly in their beds at night, what existential threat were they protecting us from? Were the Taliban planning an invasion of Britain? I must of missed that.

So you don't think that if the taliban Isis etc are not curtailed in their homeland and are allowed to grow they wouldn't start a sustained attack on western countries ......

Attacks on Western countries have only increased since the war in Afghanistan and ISIS are pretty much a direct result of the war in Iraq so if curbing attacks on Western countries was the aim they did a fecking shite job of it didn't they?

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

You don't honestly agree with him being jailed surely ?

He's a convicted murderer, jail sounds like the right place for him

hes hardly a murderer for killing a enemy in war more of hero in my eyes just remember it's folk like him who keep us safe after all

He's a murderer in the eyes of the law and at the end of the day that's what counts.

What counts is the man left his wife and kids at home to go to a hostile country to fight so that people such as yourself don't have to leave their wife and kids and you can sleep safely at night .........

I reckon being a murderer in the eyes of law counts for a lot to the bloke sitting in jail for 8 years because of it

I never could get my head round the argument that soldiers in Afghanistan were fighting so people in Britain could sleep soundly in their beds at night, what existential threat were they protecting us from? Were the Taliban planning an invasion of Britain? I must of missed that.

So you don't think that if the taliban Isis etc are not curtailed in their homeland and are allowed to grow they wouldn't start a sustained attack on western countries ......

Attacks on Western countries have only increased since the war in Afghanistan and ISIS are pretty much a direct result of the war in Iraq so if curbing attacks on Western countries was the aim they did a fecking shite job of it didn't they?

Who's faults That? f**k me, the lad was serving his country, it's not his place to make strategic decisions, it's his place to do what Westminster tell him and die if needs be. The invasion of afghan was off the back of one of the greatest acts of terror the West has ever seen. Rightly or wrongly the poor b*****d doing the shitty jobs had no idea what the next 15 years of interventions would lead to.

 

That man could just as easily been sent to fight a foreign dictator like Hitler and done the same dirty deed, like so many of our grandfather's would have done and you'd still have him treated as a murderer.

[desertbred 5,490]

Afghanistan was a situation brought about by America and its cold war with the USSR . . The USA armed, trained and financed the Taliban through the ISI of Pakistan in the ,s to stop Russia getting down to a warm water port on the Gulf. ISIS, AL QUEADA were the spawn of another western f***ing cock up ,unemployed mujahadeen when The USA withdrew from its clandestine proxy war and left thousands of war hardened heavily armed militias to fend for them selves so who is to blame. justification does not wash the linen clean. Fighting these kinds of conflicts means going into the sewers and doing the jobs the politicians deem just, When reality hits in all its colours the very white collars and Top brass who are usually in the rear with the gear start crying about atrocities they drew up the Geneva Convention its toilet paper.. Shit happens in conflicts not only soldiers suffer and die ,hundreds of thousands of innocent people also pay a huge price. The 1st World War was supposed to be the war to end all wars or was it a stepping stone for world domination?.

Edited October 29, 2016 by desertbred

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At the end of the day he knew the rules and chose to break them knowing the possible consequences if he was caught, now he's facing those consequences.

[desertbred 5,490]

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did he only bump the one off or was he nutting them on regular basis on his five tours

you would have thought he would have learnt something on his 5 tours

[General lee 979]

Hopefully he killed as many as possible greasy little scumbags