neil cooney 10,416 Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 Once fully fit they should be ready as any to do as much as any thats my opinion.Have to agree with that.Glad to say I haven't had the stories that some lads are after describing. Must be a head wrecker to breed from a good bitch and see her quit after coming back to work after the litter. And a reason not to breed her again and from none of the litter . Yep, that's the head wrecking part. Quote Link to post
howdeeposxxt 1,448 Posted November 4, 2016 Report Share Posted November 4, 2016 I cant see why having a litter would turn a bitch off her game, unless brought back to early, is it just an excuse for the inevitable. I couldn't and wouldn't blame it on that. But we all are entitled to believe what we want to believe at the end of the day Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Hormones are one thing we blokes know nothing about,so I'm told monthly ,so why try to work out a riddle that's got no answer .Its pure common sense to let the bitch recover from the pups but its also important to have kept her fit and active during and after .I can't remember a bitch not working straight after but can a few that weren't committed the same as before to then tail off to a poor standard .These are the bitches I refer to not to breed to nor from the litter .I wouldn't say it was because of the litter as I'm no biologist but that is sometimes the defining point in a bitches career. 2 Quote Link to post
k€rry 14 Posted November 5, 2016 Report Share Posted November 5, 2016 Postnatal depression women have it don't see why it can't happen to a bitch so why can't you work the litter after this happens I mean you must of thought enough of the bitch to put a dog to her in the first place shourly given time will sort it's self out I'm most probably talking sh#t but just a thought Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 It doesn't say don't work the litter mate .It refers to not breeding from offspring off a bitch that hasn't had a full career committed to work . Quote Link to post
jiggy 3,209 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 If ya don't want pups that take a step back after heat cycle or whelping don't breed parents that that take a step back. Quote Link to post
THE GENERAL 1,982 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Hypothetically speaking say a guy has a bitch that he's worked for 6/7 seasons and tested her properly, realised she's a good honest animal, so decides to take a litter out of her. How's does he know that bitch after pups is going to switch off? Simple answer is he doesn't! So stop talking shit lads. Edited November 6, 2016 by THE GENERAL 2 Quote Link to post
steve t 942 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 the ones I know of have come back as good as ever , and this was a couple of generations ago and not seen it in offspring, don't think its in the genes? Quote Link to post
THE GENERAL 1,982 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 The majority of them pick up where they left off some come back harder than before, no two dogs are the same the odd one might quit or not be anywhere good as before but I haven't seen it happen very often. If they're well looked after and given plenty of time to recover and tighten up they should be grand. I can't see much more to it. 2 Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 I bow to your superier knowledge mate Quote Link to post
THE GENERAL 1,982 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 I bow to your superier knowledge mateFD as I said I haven't came across it never mind think it would be a common thing that a bitch would just drop off work wise after being bred. So as for superior knowledge I don't have any. Obviously you wouldn't want to breed of said bitch again but would you still run the litter on as you would with the hope of best results and if they did make the grade would that then maybe change your views or would you not breed of them either? Quote Link to post
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Sorry for being a bit sarcastic mate .Traipsed the fields today only to find 4 of my spots been dug by the hunt yesterday and badly too so was in a pisser when i got in lol. Personally ,if for whatever reason a bitch jacks i dont breed again or from any of her offspring .Just something ive always done ,might be shite but id like to think theres a bit to it and has resulted in 75% or more success rate in litters ..At my age ,something ive always done aint going to change now lol.Hope your season is better than mine at the moment . 2 Quote Link to post
jiggy 3,209 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Very hard to pinpoint 100% that it was the pups or heat causing the lack of commitment and if a bitch is coming in season twice a year and is not right a few weeks before and after cycle that's a long time for them to be rested and when they come back are they half arsed at there work and is kennel blindness creeping in making excuses for the bitch. Hard decisions to be made so if unsure don't breed. If there's an equal working bitch in the yard without this problem then it has to be a better option. 2 Quote Link to post
Pick and bar 381 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Had one go go mad hard, but another that had no interest with work or for work when cubs were about. Mothering and instinct kicked in. Quote Link to post
THE GENERAL 1,982 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Sounds like you had a right stinker then. There obviously is more to it in them circumstances of a bitch jacking after a litter. I only have dogs, one other friend only keeps bitches and the rest of the lads both. I'm not questioning your methods FD they make sense the only thing I'd say was if a bitch was thought good enough to breed off then it's hardly the resulting litters fault of the dams hormones etc. after being bred to stop any further breeding of the resulting litter if they make the grade. With a high success rate of workers like you say then cancelling out any bad whatsoever no matter the circumstances then it must make a difference. Edited November 6, 2016 by THE GENERAL Quote Link to post
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