Self Preservation

[j1985 1,984]

do or die or skid ?

 

I know what type I prefer in any dog, I don't want a dog even thinking that "that hedge" or "that woods" that they're flying towards at full wack is a issue.

 

Granted dogs can and will pick up injuries but isn't that part and parcel of running dogs anyway ?

 

From what Iv seen from mine and others dogs is the ones with little or no self preservation make more catches than the ones that pull up.

[Wales1234 5,568]

My old bitch and my pup really don't care what's infront of them just flying in and hope for the best ! My blue bitch is a thinker she's got a lot of collie in her but will run into woods in the dark and fences but Iv seen her slow down at certain objects f***ing hates eletric fences ! I'm not overly bothered what she does in the day for me is beyond any other dog has ever done for me

[Mary 352]

I've a dog here, 18 Mts old, has had half a dozen nights on the lamp and caught 10 or so, bred from my own bitch and mates dog, both who are as determined as yea like, no way would either parent let a rabbit tip toe into cover, would kill themselves to get that rabbit, but the pup will run a rabbit flat out to about 2 or 3 yards off the ditch and turn and let it go, he done this 8 or 9 times the last night out 3 weeks ago before he was collared up and brought home, not been lamped since. Any rabbit he's caught has been away from cover, very frustrating as parent will plough through anything when required, day or night. Putting it down to immaturity, and will try him again soon before I make up my mind.

[downsouth 7,795]

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

[skycat 6,174]

My take on it is that I want a dog to try it's utmost to catch, but I also want it to remain spatially aware of its surroundings and dangerous obstacles. It's a big ask when a dog is 100% focused on what it is chasing, but some dogs do seem to have an inbuilt sense of self-preservation which allows them to work to the max for years, when a totally blinkered animal runs into things, and consequently injures itself badly or even kills itself. I've had all three kinds of lurcher: the do or die (they generally die young), the spatially aware but very committed, and the dogs with less drive that are more apt to pull up at thick hedges etc.

I would always rear a dog from a pup in the type of environment in which it will work as an adult: that way they learn the dangers before they are going too fast and actually chasing. You can never foresee the freak accident, but a dog that has the brains to match its drive is my preference.

[leethedog 3,071]

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

 

Haha haha you so full of shit but I like it proper belly laugh

[j1985 1,984]

 

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

Haha haha you so full of shit but I like it proper belly laugh

Hey, he's not fibbing!! He was travelling sideways across stubbles in a forester when the accident happened, straight through a fence, dog smashed clean out the window and lost a leg doing so but landed on the fox. A kills a kill

[leethedog 3,071]

I've a dog here, 18 Mts old, has had half a dozen nights on the lamp and caught 10 or so, bred from my own bitch and mates dog, both who are as determined as yea like, no way would either parent let a rabbit tip toe into cover, would kill themselves to get that rabbit, but the pup will run a rabbit flat out to about 2 or 3 yards off the ditch and turn and let it go, he done this 8 or 9 times the last night out 3 weeks ago before he was collared up and brought home, not been lamped since. Any rabbit he's caught has been away from cover, very frustrating as parent will plough through anything when required, day or night. Putting it down to immaturity, and will try him again soon before I make up my mind.

Sounds like your young un kno2s it hasn't got the pace to catch before its quarry gets to safty like you say it MIGHT grow out of it does it do it 8n day light or just on lamp if only on lamp I'd only run it in the day start from scratch take it ferreting give it loads of easy stuff

[king 11,984]

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

Why don't you train the dog to open the car window

[Casso 1,261]

I've a dog here, 18 Mts old, has had half a dozen nights on the lamp and caught 10 or so, bred from my own bitch and mates dog, both who are as determined as yea like, no way would either parent let a rabbit tip toe into cover, would kill themselves to get that rabbit, but the pup will run a rabbit flat out to about 2 or 3 yards off the ditch and turn and let it go, he done this 8 or 9 times the last night out 3 weeks ago before he was collared up and brought home, not been lamped since. Any rabbit he's caught has been away from cover, very frustrating as parent will plough through anything when required, day or night. Putting it down to immaturity, and will try him again soon before I make up my mind.

What's the temperment like ? Is it forward pup?? it doesn't sound like it , somewhere deep down I wonder if he wants it enough , if he hasn't had a whack off something or he doesn't fully get the hunting thing yet only you know He may mature into it by the end of this winter you should be well able to tick his box ,

[Mary 352]

 

 

I've a dog here, 18 Mts old, has had half a dozen nights on the lamp and caught 10 or so, bred from my own bitch and mates dog, both who are as determined as yea like, no way would either parent let a rabbit tip toe into cover, would kill themselves to get that rabbit, but the pup will run a rabbit flat out to about 2 or 3 yards off the ditch and turn and let it go, he done this 8 or 9 times the last night out 3 weeks ago before he was collared up and brought home, not been lamped since. Any rabbit he's caught has been away from cover, very frustrating as parent will plough through anything when required, day or night. Putting it down to immaturity, and will try him again soon before I make up my mind.

What's the temperment like ? Is it forward pup?? it doesn't sound like it , somewhere deep down I wonder if he wants it enough , if he hasn't had a whack off something or he doesn't fully get the hunting thing yet only you know He may mature into it by the end of this winter you should be well able to tick his box ,

He a very forward dog, lots if confidence, never had any hairy moments around cover, jumps wire and ditches no problem, he'll run flat out with twists and turns out in the field but pulls up just before that last bit of pressure is needed, I'll give him plenty of chances between now and d day.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Mary

[terryd 8,731]

Mine is very do or die once in pursuit but on the other hand his not stupid. If a rabbit hits a real thick hedge he won't go ploughing like an idiot with no hope of catching on the other hand if his close behind and smashing in will bag it that is what he will do.

He does come unstuck with hazards he can't see but that is not his fault. I do curse his drive some times but when I think about it. I think after having a dog like this a laid back thing that didn't give a 100% would be disappointing.

Saying all that after his most recent knock which was his hardest yet I am hoping he hasn't lost any enthusiasm. Mind you he did nearly knock him self out last year and that didn't seem to bother him

[my hounds 313]

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

Must be one of these sooper doper bull crosses

[j1985 1,984]

 

 

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

Must be one of these sooper doper bull crosses

This guy knows nothing, blatantly a beddy whippet!!

[downsouth 7,795]

 

 

Mine runs through fences and smashes through car windows.She even caught a fox with her leg hanging off at the knee once.

Must be one of these sooper doper bull crosses

3/4pit 1/4 collie grey saluki Bedlington whippet with a touch of bull.