Britain's Whale Hunters

[scothunter 12,609]

I do admit i have soft spot for whales i find them fascinating. TBH i find the whole sea world a mystery.

Dog fox i would do the same with anyone doing it to elephants. My favourite animal by far.

[scothunter 12,609]

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:51, Lab said:

Probably not going to sit well but I'd hunt Killer Whales. I've never gotten over the video I watched in school of th**ds taking seals out to see and chucking them about like a game.

I used to own a greyhound bitch that toyed with live rabbits in a similar way mate. Carried it about laid it down grabbed it again tossed it in the air.Then when tired with that broke its back.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:59, DogFox123 said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:51, Lab said:

Probably not going to sit well but I'd hunt Killer Whales. I've never gotten over the video I watched in school of the b*****ds taking seals out to see and chucking them about like a game.

Not while I was there you wouldn't, I would literally beat your ass haha. I'm a right two faced cnut, I love hunting most animals but there's some that's way off the chart for me. If I saw somebody killing a tiger I honestly say I could shoot them and I wouldn't feel no remorse whatsoever.

 

 

Be a short trip and at best a long swim for you then. Fancy going whaling and trying to harm anybody that actually hunted a whale!

[Lab 10,979]

  On 20/10/2016 at 10:38, Born Hunter said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:59, DogFox123 said:

 

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:51, Lab said:

Probably not going to sit well but I'd hunt Killer Whales. I've never gotten over the video I watched in school of the b*****ds taking seals out to see and chucking them about like a game.

Not while I was there you wouldn't, I would literally beat your ass haha. I'm a right two faced cnut, I love hunting most animals but there's some that's way off the chart for me. If I saw somebody killing a tiger I honestly say I could shoot them and I wouldn't feel no remorse whatsoever.

Be a short trip and at best a long swim for you then. Fancy going whaling and trying to harm anybody that actually hunted a whale!

Don't worry mate he'd be in the water dodging harpoons...????

[DogFox123 1,379]

I'd feed you both to the Sharks, cut you into little pieces hahaha.

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 20/10/2016 at 10:38, Born Hunter said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:59, DogFox123 said:

 

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 09:51, Lab said:

Probably not going to sit well but I'd hunt Killer Whales. I've never gotten over the video I watched in school of the b*****ds taking seals out to see and chucking them about like a game.

Not while I was there you wouldn't, I would literally beat your ass haha. I'm a right two faced cnut, I love hunting most animals but there's some that's way off the chart for me. If I saw somebody killing a tiger I honestly say I could shoot them and I wouldn't feel no remorse whatsoever.

Be a short trip and at best a long swim for you then. Fancy going whaling and trying to harm anybody that actually hunted a whale!

I could accept killing a whale for it's meat to feed the family but that's about it.

[gamerooster 1,179]

The hunting isn't the problem, it was the sheer volume that were taken, a scientist on the programme who had watched the elephant sales for years was asked could the population handle sustainable hunting, to which he took a while to say anything, then replied yes, but so far humans haven't been able to sustainably harvest anything, so no, which I thought summed us up as a race, we take take take till there's nothing left to give

[max_wood 161]

I think they should farm elephants,cut their tusks off and release them without tusks to places where they are rare.then selling the ivory would pay for the whole operation and fund conservation.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

  On 20/10/2016 at 12:27, gamerooster said:

The hunting isn't the problem, it was the sheer volume that were taken, a scientist on the programme who had watched the elephant sales for years was asked could the population handle sustainable hunting, to which he took a while to say anything, then replied yes, but so far humans haven't been able to sustainably harvest anything, so no, which I thought summed us up as a race, we take take take till there's nothing left to give

 

I would say there are tons of examples of sustainable harvesting, the number one cause of population declines isn't a lack of human ability to self regulate harvests, it's a lack of human ability to not destroy ecosystems that game species are dependent on. Studies have shown that on keepered estates 69% of Brown Hares can be culled/harvested annually and often are, sustainably, yet nationally the Brown Hare has seen significant decline over the decades of rising intensive farming. Likewise with Grouse and English Partridge. It's not an inability to sustainably harvest game, it's our inability to live with and in these ecosystems without critically damaging them.

 

The conservation movement finds it's origins in hunting but today it's not hunting, either for sport of subsistence, that threatens wild fauna, it's the encroachment and damage of the human population more generally. All of the infrastructure and waste that comes with modern human life.

[gamerooster 1,179]

You say on keepered estates, and on intensive farmland they're becoming rare? All the keepered land I've been on is intensively farmed land, it's nothing.to do with the habitat the hares are in, it's do to wits the humans managing them, even moorland is farmed with Heather burning! As for grouse and partridge, look what happened to black grouse and grey partridge..... though I agree game estates are wildlife havens, I'd love to see how sustainable they'd be if they didn't release thousands of birds a year

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:00, Born Hunter said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 12:27, gamerooster said:

 

The hunting isn't the problem, it was the sheer volume that were taken, a scientist on the programme who had watched the elephant sales for years was asked could the population handle sustainable hunting, to which he took a while to say anything, then replied yes, but so far humans haven't been able to sustainably harvest anything, so no, which I thought summed us up as a race, we take take take till there's nothing left to give

I would say there are tons of examples of sustainable harvesting, the number one cause of population declines isn't a lack of human ability to self regulate harvests, it's a lack of human ability to not destroy ecosystems that game species are dependent on. Studies have shown that on keepered estates 69% of Brown Hares can be culled/harvested annually and often are, sustainably, yet nationally the Brown Hare has seen significant decline over the decades of rising intensive farming. Likewise with Grouse and English Partridge. It's not an inability to sustainably harvest game, it's our inability to live with and in these ecosystems without critically damaging them.

 

The conservation movement finds it's origins in hunting but today it's not hunting, either for sport of subsistence, that threatens wild fauna, it's the encroachment and damage of the human population more generally. All of the infrastructure and waste that comes with modern human life.

I don't think these points would have much bearing on the whale population tbh.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:09, gamerooster said:

You say on keepered estates, and on intensive farmland they're becoming rare? All the keepered land I've been on is intensively farmed land, it's nothing.to do with the habitat the hares are in, it's do to wits the humans managing them, even moorland is farmed with Heather burning! As for grouse and partridge, look what happened to black grouse and grey partridge..... though I agree game estates are wildlife havens, I'd love to see how sustainable they'd be if they didn't release thousands of birds a year

 

Of course most shooting estates operate on and with modern agriculture, the point I'm making is that there are many examples of sustainable hunting. Intesively farmed, heavily managed, it makes little difference to my point that critical habitat destruction is THE number one cause of population reduction. Modern hunting practices are not generally the cause and in fact are shown very often to counter these effects. The hunting interests of hunting and shooting estates mitigate the ecological damage that intensive farming and human population growth have had in the UK since the war and as I said studies have shown that in such places 69% of hares can be sustainably harvested annually. That's just one example that I have used to illustrate my general point on conservation and sustainable hunting practices. I simply disagreed with your quoted fella on humans never having been able to sustainably harvest anything, otherwise I agreed with the sentiment of your post.

 

Given the resources one of my life goals would be to produce a proper old fashioned English Partridge Manor, proper old fashioned conservation minded, low impact approach to shooting. However pragmatically there is less and less place for that in a country with an increasing human population. The concerns of nature have to compete with the concerns of man at a greater rate of conflict the greater the human density. We're seeing the same in Africa with it's HUGE population growth in the last 30 years! It'll be a shame to see similar happen in N.America where I feel they have a very good balance currently. But as the population grows, Nature will take a hit and it won't be because of hunting practices, it'll simply be the destruction of habitat that can sustain the wild critters.

Edited October 20, 2016 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,832]

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:09, DogFox123 said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:00, Born Hunter said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 12:27, gamerooster said:

The hunting isn't the problem, it was the sheer volume that were taken, a scientist on the programme who had watched the elephant sales for years was asked could the population handle sustainable hunting, to which he took a while to say anything, then replied yes, but so far humans haven't been able to sustainably harvest anything, so no, which I thought summed us up as a race, we take take take till there's nothing left to give

I would say there are tons of examples of sustainable harvesting, the number one cause of population declines isn't a lack of human ability to self regulate harvests, it's a lack of human ability to not destroy ecosystems that game species are dependent on. Studies have shown that on keepered estates 69% of Brown Hares can be culled/harvested annually and often are, sustainably, yet nationally the Brown Hare has seen significant decline over the decades of rising intensive farming. Likewise with Grouse and English Partridge. It's not an inability to sustainably harvest game, it's our inability to live with and in these ecosystems without critically damaging them.

 

The conservation movement finds it's origins in hunting but today it's not hunting, either for sport of subsistence, that threatens wild fauna, it's the encroachment and damage of the human population more generally. All of the infrastructure and waste that comes with modern human life.

I don't think these points would have much bearing on the whale population tbh.

 

 

I think parallels can be drawn when you look at whale conservation. The impact we are having on the seas is directly and in all probability negatively affecting whales with our dumping of plastics which finds it's way into their guts, more generally pollution and of course human activity in the seas such as pile driving for infrastructure, military and industry sonar use and other quite high impact procedures. Our impact is increasing and it's this that often drives population declines, not modern regulated hunting practices.

[DogFox123 1,379]

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:54, Born Hunter said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:09, DogFox123 said:

 

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:00, Born Hunter said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 12:27, gamerooster said:

The hunting isn't the problem, it was the sheer volume that were taken, a scientist on the programme who had watched the elephant sales for years was asked could the population handle sustainable hunting, to which he took a while to say anything, then replied yes, but so far humans haven't been able to sustainably harvest anything, so no, which I thought summed us up as a race, we take take take till there's nothing left to give

I would say there are tons of examples of sustainable harvesting, the number one cause of population declines isn't a lack of human ability to self regulate harvests, it's a lack of human ability to not destroy ecosystems that game species are dependent on. Studies have shown that on keepered estates 69% of Brown Hares can be culled/harvested annually and often are, sustainably, yet nationally the Brown Hare has seen significant decline over the decades of rising intensive farming. Likewise with Grouse and English Partridge. It's not an inability to sustainably harvest game, it's our inability to live with and in these ecosystems without critically damaging them.

 

The conservation movement finds it's origins in hunting but today it's not hunting, either for sport of subsistence, that threatens wild fauna, it's the encroachment and damage of the human population more generally. All of the infrastructure and waste that comes with modern human life.

I don't think these points would have much bearing on the whale population tbh.

I think parallels can be drawn when you look at whale conservation. The impact we are having on the seas is directly and in all probability negatively affecting whales with our dumping of plastics which finds it's way into their guts, more generally pollution and of course human activity in the seas such as pile driving for infrastructure, military and industry sonar use and other quite high impact procedures. Our impact is increasing and it's this that often drives population declines, not modern regulated hunting practices.

Oh without a doubt but I would say commercial hunting has a massive impact on whale population due to their gestation period and low birth numbers.

[Born Hunter 17,832]

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:58, DogFox123 said:

 

  On 20/10/2016 at 13:54, Born Hunter said:

Oh without a doubt but I would say commercial hunting has a massive impact on whale population due to their gestation period and low birth numbers.

 

 

I'm not so sure. I'm not an expert so please show otherwise but doesn't accidental catch by commercial fisherman and ship collisions kill far more than hunting?