Joshua V Klitschko

[arcticgun 4,548]

Haye always looked good and has the technical skills when he was at his peak, but got found wanting when the big events came,, for me it's real heart he lacks, when going gets tough he just couldn't pull it out the bag, now he over the hill I think AJ would be far too powerful and in his face once inbcthe ring for Haye too deal with, he didn't fancy Tyson Fury back even retired citing career ending injury being the cause ?

 

Sure he makes all the right noises wanting too fight AJ or get any title he can get his hands on, maybe he thinks it be easier without Fury about? Can't see it meself though, if he really serious about winning it again why side line with a fight against Bellew? Why not step up the quality of his opposition, he chats AJ fought nobody but look at his last two opponents ffs, think he after money pure n simple but fair play too him but when he meets AJ he finished too big too strong too direct for Haye too deal with think he end up knocked out, the klitscho fight be a good guide cos he can fight and is well respected technically but I reckon AJ be too much for klitscho nowadays, think Tyson Fury likely be the most awakened opponent for him if he comes back

[arcticgun 4,548]

Bugloni was the star of the night for me class pure n simple real guts n determination,great fight for both lads ?

 

fair play too whyte n chisora great scrap but whyte should of been a lot fitter for younger contender, chisora I can't fault he getting on had a few loses took a lot of punches but still his desire is strong proper warrior had him winning by a round or two personally ? Rematch whyte should up his game prep wise needs a descive win

[Lenmcharristar 9,922]

Aj too square to fight haye, Hayes speed would ko aj before he even hears the starting bell

[antg 1,787]

as said above Hay is a good technical fighter but lacks in the old ticker to me. if he was a dog he would be a cull.

[baz 464]

Like others ,I think haye is good... Fast and stylish, and can bang.. Not many heavyweights move around like him, belleow in trouble once in the ring

[Lenmcharristar 9,922]

  On 14/12/2016 at 18:03, antg said:

as said above Hay is a good technical fighter but lacks in the old ticker to me. if he was a dog he would be a cull.

 

hes the human version of the ebt the red hand of ulster

[MickC 1,825]

Joshua has done well but relies too much on raw brute power and strength at the expense of movement and dare I say it ring IQ,and on top of all this he is too predictable.Joshua is still going at fighters in straight lines relying on his power to get the opposing fighter to where he wants them.Haye certainly has the power,movement and ability to beat Joshua but like already said it depends on his frame of mind at the time,if hes up for it Joshua would be beaten.Its the same with Wlad he sees the same things as Haye and is chomping at the bit to get him in the ring and expose them before anybody else does. looking forward to these Heavyweight fights and others just to see who prevails and how it all pans out over the next eighteen months.

[bird 10,000]

  On 14/12/2016 at 19:16, MickC said:

Joshua has done well but relies too much on raw brute power and strength at the expense of movement and dare I say it ring IQ,and on top of all this he is too predictable.Joshua is still going at fighters in straight lines relying on his power to get the opposing fighter to where he wants them.Haye certainly has the power,movement and ability to beat Joshua but like already said it depends on his frame of mind at the time,if hes up for it Joshua would be beaten.Its the same with Wlad he sees the same things as Haye and is chomping at the bit to get him in the ring and expose them before anybody else does. looking forward to these Heavyweight fights and others just to see who prevails and how it all pans out over the next eighteen months.

good answer mick , yeh they will deff in AJ corner , change few things with the likes of Haye and Wlad if they ever get in the ring with him .

[MIK 4,763]

No body on here knows what AJ can do as he has never really been tested in the ring ....and no body knows if Haye is any where near as good as he was ...has the makings of a good fight as styles make fights.... imo why should Haye get the fight surely after taking the Bellow fight surely he is behind Wylder, Ortiz ,and Parker ...but saying that if Haye is as good as he was he will be the one to give AJ the test ...Lets hope 2017 some of these top name actually fight each other ...

[pesky1972 5,361]

Can't see Haye fighting AJ ever unless he becomes mandatory, which means he'll need to fight better quality opponents than he has been. When he came back he said exactly that, he'd battle his way up the rankings.., and so he fights a cruiser ? Truth is that Hearn has thrown him a bone. The only way Haye fights AJ is if Hearn thinks it's a good earner.., and me personally, I'm not interested in paying £16.95 to give Haye a pension..., not unless he fights a ranked heavyweight first to prove he's a worthy challenger.

[MickC 1,825]

Haye is the mandatory challenger to fight Joe Parker next the new WBO Champion,so should Haye win that fight which he should do comfortably and Joshua has to obviously beat Wlad and if both Haye and Joshua do come through there fights that would be two Brits with a version each of a Heavyweight title,Hearn would be falling over himself to get Joshua and Haye in the ring to face each other in a big Stadium fight .

Edited December 15, 2016 by MickC

[gnasher16 30,531]

  On 14/12/2016 at 15:34, bird said:

 

  On 14/12/2016 at 15:03, gnasher16 said:

No idea how the heavyweight division will pan out over the next few years theres some interesting potential match ups as they all seem to have different qualities and different vulnerabilities i still think if he has the motivation Haye could have a lot to say as he is probably the most talented guy out there personally i dont think Joshua has any real talent at all but he is a pure sportsman and elite modern day athlete based on very basic brute artistic thuggery so it go,s to show the extent of differences between the top guys stylistically that can throw up some exciting bouts.

spot on regards Haye, I was watching is interview after the fight, and being honest Haye made a lot of sense regards AJ , he said he coming along good and doing the job, but he not fought anybody like me with my speed/power, and AJ would have probs with it, unless he can get better defence . I think AJ corner know this as well , so holding him back , to gain more experience in his defence work, your right Gnash Haye prob KO AJ right now if they fight . how do you see Haye against bellew going?, I think Haye will KO him prob 3-4 round

 

Its not age that hurts a fighter its inactivity and by the time he gets in the ring with Bellew Haye will of been out of the ring for nearly 5 years barring a couple of silly nothing fights,nobody knows what he still has left but if he is close to his best he will walk straight in and through Bellew he is just a far superior fighter.

 

Theres things going on with Joshua at the moment that i dont think will benefit him,sometimes you just have to commit to the assets you have he is never going to have the footwork of Muhammad Ali or the head movement of Joe Frazier so you just have to put all your eggs in one basket and hope he has enough of everything else to get by its a mistake trying to create a great all round fighter without a big chunk of talent to go with it which i personally dont think Joshua has......look how far fighters like George Foreman got on power alone i believe Joshua has enough basic brute force and tenacity to get through anyone out there at this moment......but trying to refine him into an allrounder at this stage i think might be his undoing and a peak Haye would be the perfect man to expose that.

Edited December 15, 2016 by gnasher16

[bird 10,000]

  On 15/12/2016 at 08:43, gnasher16 said:

 

  On 14/12/2016 at 15:34, bird said:

 

  On 14/12/2016 at 15:03, gnasher16 said:

No idea how the heavyweight division will pan out over the next few years theres some interesting potential match ups as they all seem to have different qualities and different vulnerabilities i still think if he has the motivation Haye could have a lot to say as he is probably the most talented guy out there personally i dont think Joshua has any real talent at all but he is a pure sportsman and elite modern day athlete based on very basic brute artistic thuggery so it go,s to show the extent of differences between the top guys stylistically that can throw up some exciting bouts.

spot on regards Haye, I was watching is interview after the fight, and being honest Haye made a lot of sense regards AJ , he said he coming along good and doing the job, but he not fought anybody like me with my speed/power, and AJ would have probs with it, unless he can get better defence . I think AJ corner know this as well , so holding him back , to gain more experience in his defence work, your right Gnash Haye prob KO AJ right now if they fight . how do you see Haye against bellew going?, I think Haye will KO him prob 3-4 round

 

Its not age that hurts a fighter its inactivity and by the time he gets in the ring with Bellew Haye will of been out of the ring for nearly 5 years barring a couple of silly nothing fights,nobody knows what he still has left but if he is close to his best he will walk straight in and through Bellew he is just a far superior fighter.

 

Theres things going on with Joshua at the moment that i dont think will benefit him,sometimes you just have to commit to the assets you have he is never going to have the footwork of Muhammad Ali or the head movement of Joe Frazier so you just have to put all your eggs in one basket and hope he has enough of everything else to get by its a mistake trying to create a great all round fighter without a big chunk of talent to go with it which i personally dont think Joshua has......look how far fighters like George Foreman got on power alone i believe Joshua has enough basic brute force and tenacity to get through anyone out there at this moment......but trying to refine him into an allrounder at this stage i think might be his undoing and a peak Haye would be the perfect man to expose that.

 

good thread Gnash ,

[arcticgun 4,548]

It's the inactivity that writes Haye off for me personally, but as has been said if the skills are still there he will test AJ but even at his peak I don't think he would of beaten AJ as he stands now think he simply too big and too strong and schooled too well in the basics for Haye, who was fine when the going was all his way but fell short when it wasn't

 

His last comeback against fury he made all the right noises but I honestly think his arse went when it was right in front of him this third coming has been pathetic two duck eggs dodging Briggs and now fighting bellew instead of concentrating on his goal he sidelined for easy lower lol I'd love too see bellew put an end too it myself lol

 

Klitscho a much better test for AJ imho than anyone else currently as I think he gunna end up ko'd or Tko ? Wilder Parker go the same way imho, my prediction AJ will quit unbeaten unified champ

[gnasher16 30,531]

  On 15/12/2016 at 18:45, arcticgun said:

It's the inactivity that writes Haye off for me personally, but as has been said if the skills are still there he will test AJ but even at his peak I don't think he would of beaten AJ as he stands now think he simply too big and too strong and schooled too well in the basics for Haye, who was fine when the going was all his way but fell short when it wasn't

 

His last comeback against fury he made all the right noises but I honestly think his arse went when it was right in front of him this third coming has been pathetic two duck eggs dodging Briggs and now fighting bellew instead of concentrating on his goal he sidelined for easy lower lol I'd love too see bellew put an end too it myself lol

 

Klitscho a much better test for AJ imho than anyone else currently as I think he gunna end up ko'd or Tko Wilder Parker go the same way imho, my prediction AJ will quit unbeaten unified champ

Are you aware that Briggs turned down a fight with Haye ?.........he was offered a quarter of a mill but thought he was worth 3 mill on pay per view !.....with no real justification in getting a title shot a quarter of a mill was good money for him.