Should Staffs Be Banned ?

[stevo79 569]

Made a big song and dance about micro chiping, should of spent that money preventing incapable people owning dogs!

[morton 5,368]

What you think seems alot kids getting killed and always this breed

My daughter recently had a kid and they own a Staff,i don,t believe the majority of Staffs are to be trusted,piss poor breeding,the dog my daughters other half owns is a growler with strangers,i don,t mind that in a dog and don,t like a dog that accepts a stranger,yet im not comfortable with the Staff they own,even before the latest attack.I bet it escapes never to be seen again.

[lurcherman 887 13,209]

Morton i wouldnt trust them around my kids either pal

[DogFox123 1,379]

Morton i wouldnt trust them around my kids either pal

Would you trust an Alsatian around your kids? What about a Great Danes? Mastiff?

[neems 2,406]

Already said it.

 

Nowt wrong with a well brought up bull.

 

No messing about with them if youre not wanted, your'e told.

 

If you don't understand this, you shouldn't be anywhere near one imo.

 

 

Except sometimes there is,same with any dog,but highly driven,powerful dogs bred by idiots 90% of the time are more of a time bomb than westies and yorkies.

[gnasher16 30,217]

Where have all the no bad dogs just bad owner little luvvies got to these days !

[Jonjon79 13,358]

Where have all the no bad dogs just bad owner little luvvies got to these days !

Hi Gnash,

 

You and me kind of had that conversation on another thread and, I think I may have not put my view across very well.

 

Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not some animal rights luvvie....

 

There are good dogs and there are bad dogs. There are good owners and there are bad owners.

 

As already said in this thread, problems occur when people stop remembering that they have an animal living in their home.

 

..... A dog is a dog is a dog. It's a basic pack animal with muscle and teeth. Whether it weighs 4kg or 40kg.

 

The dog is a basic animal with basic instincts and relatively low intelligence. The problem occur (barring a total brain fart) when bad owners let their guard down.

 

I've had large breeds in the the past. I now have 2 Chihuahuas. Both have fantastic natures, respond well to commands and, have always been treated like dogs. But, they're never left alone with kids or strangers.

 

Ultimately, yes, I do believe it is all down to bad owners and piss poor ownership. A dog is an animal, a human is an inteligent being. People make the decisions, rightly or wrongly, how they are going to allow their animals to behave.

 

I'm not trying to conflict with you in this post. Indeed, I hope I've come across as I intended.

 

Atb

[morton 5,368]

 

Where have all the no bad dogs just bad owner little luvvies got to these days !

Hi Gnash,

 

You and me kind of had that conversation on another thread and, I think I may have not put my view across very well.

 

Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not some animal rights luvvie....

 

There are good dogs and there are bad dogs. There are good owners and there are bad owners.

 

As already said in this thread, problems occur when people stop remembering that they have an animal living in their home.

 

..... A dog is a dog is a dog. It's a basic pack animal with muscle and teeth. Whether it weighs 4kg or 40kg.

 

The dog is a basic animal with basic instincts and relatively low intelligence. The problem occur (barring a total brain fart) when bad owners let their guard down.

 

I've had large breeds in the the past. I now have 2 Chihuahuas. Both have fantastic natures, respond well to commands and, have always been treated like dogs. But, they're never left alone with kids or strangers.

 

Ultimately, yes, I do believe it is all down to bad owners and piss poor ownership. A dog is an animal, a human is an inteligent being. People make the decisions, rightly or wrongly, how they are going to allow their animals to behave.

 

I'm not trying to conflict with you in this post. Indeed, I hope I've come across as I intended.

 

Atb

 

Its when folk underrate the intelligence of their canine charges that conflict often occurs,all dogs are highly intelligent,its the mutts that are not allowed to explore and utilise their intellect that are often the cause of canine disorder.The owners are always the cause of canine conflict,often because they believe its only a dog and is a dumb mutt that needs no succour,treat them dumb and they react dumb and do dumb things.The worst dog owners have far less intelligence than their mutts.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

 

 

 

Where have all the no bad dogs just bad owner little luvvies got to these days !

Hi Gnash,

 

You and me kind of had that conversation on another thread and, I think I may have not put my view across very well.

 

Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not some animal rights luvvie....

 

There are good dogs and there are bad dogs. There are good owners and there are bad owners.

 

As already said in this thread, problems occur when people stop remembering that they have an animal living in their home.

 

..... A dog is a dog is a dog. It's a basic pack animal with muscle and teeth. Whether it weighs 4kg or 40kg.

 

The dog is a basic animal with basic instincts and relatively low intelligence. The problem occur (barring a total brain fart) when bad owners let their guard down.

 

I've had large breeds in the the past. I now have 2 Chihuahuas. Both have fantastic natures, respond well to commands and, have always been treated like dogs. But, they're never left alone with kids or strangers.

 

Ultimately, yes, I do believe it is all down to bad owners and piss poor ownership. A dog is an animal, a human is an inteligent being. People make the decisions, rightly or wrongly, how they are going to allow their animals to behave.

 

I'm not trying to conflict with you in this post. Indeed, I hope I've come across as I intended.

 

Atb

Its when folk underrate the intelligence of their canine charges that conflict often occurs,all dogs are highly intelligent,its the mutts that are not allowed to explore and utilise their intellect that are often the cause of canine disorder.The owners are always the cause of canine conflict,often because they believe its only a dog and is a dumb mutt that needs no succour,treat them dumb and they react dumb and do dumb things.The worst dog owners have far less intelligence than their mutts.

Sure a dog needs mental and physical stimulation to be happy but, it's still an animal and, still of relatively low intelligence - instinct can and, will sometimes override it's training.

 

The human is (supposedly) the intelligent being in control of the animal.

 

These tragic events occur when the one that is supposedly in charge/command/control becomes complacent.

[king 11,972]

Practically everyone replying on this read is a dog owner.

And has been for yrs and yrs.

We all like to work dogs.train dogs.feck most of us are obssesed with feeding dogs.and most of us can spot a dodgy dog by its behaviour and body language etc.

Then theres people who dont give much thought about there dog/dogs.

And havent got the experience to put the dog at the bottom of the pack order in the household.

And just let the dog do what it wants.when it wants.

Look what happens in a wild dog pack.

The young dogs coming up want to reach the top.be alpha dog.

And the only way to achieve that is by fighting in order to climb the ranks.

Im sure that a lot of dogs attacks are a result of a dog trying to put his stamp on the pack.in order to climb through the ranks.

[Casso 1,261]

Practically everyone replying on this read is a dog owner.

And has been for yrs and yrs.

We all like to work dogs.train dogs.feck most of us are obssesed with feeding dogs.and most of us can spot a dodgy dog by its behaviour and body language etc.

Then theres people who dont give much thought about there dog/dogs.

And havent got the experience to put the dog at the bottom of the pack order in the household.

And just let the dog do what it wants.when it wants.

Look what happens in a wild dog pack.

The young dogs coming up want to reach the top.be alpha dog.

And the only way to achieve that is by fighting in order to climb the ranks.

Im sure that a lot of dogs attacks are a result of a dog trying to put his stamp on the pack.in order to climb through the ranks.

You don't need to dominate a dog to have a social and secure animal

Any dog can grow up social if you channel its natural energetic expression into group behavior with its owner, its the expression of energy that builds the social bond, a dog is born social , what happens between when it first arrived as a pup and when it flips out is a tale of missed opportunities misleading nformation and a complete disregard or failure to motivate the dog to commit to a group mind , if a dog can go by feel and feel secure in its surrounding it can overwhelm any instinctive f**k ups which are the cause of this behaviour

 

The behaviour(aggression) is hard wired in the dog , you can address it or disregard it but I'd rather give the mutt the answer as to what to do with his energy BEFORE he gives me the problem

Edited October 17, 2016 by Casso

[bird 9,941]

 

Practically everyone replying on this read is a dog owner.

And has been for yrs and yrs.

We all like to work dogs.train dogs.feck most of us are obssesed with feeding dogs.and most of us can spot a dodgy dog by its behaviour and body language etc.

Then theres people who dont give much thought about there dog/dogs.

And havent got the experience to put the dog at the bottom of the pack order in the household.

And just let the dog do what it wants.when it wants.

Look what happens in a wild dog pack.

The young dogs coming up want to reach the top.be alpha dog.

And the only way to achieve that is by fighting in order to climb the ranks.

Im sure that a lot of dogs attacks are a result of a dog trying to put his stamp on the pack.in order to climb through the ranks.

You don't need to dominant a dog to have a social and secure animal

Any dog can grow up social if you channel its natural energetic expression into group behavior with its owner, its the expression of energy that builds the social bond, a dog is born social , what happens between when it first arrived as a pup and when it flips out is a tale of missed opportunities misleading nformation and a complete disregard or failure to motivate the dog to commit to a group mind , if a dog can go by feel and feel secure in its surrounding it can overwhelm any instinctive f**k ups which are the cause of this behaviour

 

The behaviour(aggression) is hard wired in the dog , you can address it or disregard it but I'd rather give the mutt the answer as to what to do with his energy BEFORE he gives me the problem

 

King is right , all dogs have different temps even in the same litter, some pups will naturally want to be dominate animal, and some wont . you got to take each pup as it comes . if you got a dominant dog / pup you got make sure the dog knows your incontrol , and not the other way . My 2 dogs have different temps, Bryn more dominant temp than Buck , Buck happy to go along with it , but both are very passive towards me , and senstive temps , which is ok but to prefer a bolder temp in a dog if i'm honest , not one who in your face type, but one that dont get up set that easy, like my 2 wimps do lol .

[Casso 1,261]

 

 

Practically everyone replying on this read is a dog owner.

And has been for yrs and yrs.

We all like to work dogs.train dogs.feck most of us are obssesed with feeding dogs.and most of us can spot a dodgy dog by its behaviour and body language etc.

Then theres people who dont give much thought about there dog/dogs.

And havent got the experience to put the dog at the bottom of the pack order in the household.

And just let the dog do what it wants.when it wants.

Look what happens in a wild dog pack.

The young dogs coming up want to reach the top.be alpha dog.

And the only way to achieve that is by fighting in order to climb the ranks.

Im sure that a lot of dogs attacks are a result of a dog trying to put his stamp on the pack.in order to climb through the ranks.

You don't need to dominant a dog to have a social and secure animal

Any dog can grow up social if you channel its natural energetic expression into group behavior with its owner, its the expression of energy that builds the social bond, a dog is born social , what happens between when it first arrived as a pup and when it flips out is a tale of missed opportunities misleading nformation and a complete disregard or failure to motivate the dog to commit to a group mind , if a dog can go by feel and feel secure in its surrounding it can overwhelm any instinctive f**k ups which are the cause of this behaviour

 

The behaviour(aggression) is hard wired in the dog , you can address it or disregard it but I'd rather give the mutt the answer as to what to do with his energy BEFORE he gives me the problem

 

King is right , all dogs have different temps even in the same litter, some pups will naturally want to be dominate animal, and some wont . you got to take each pup as it comes . if you got a dominant dog / pup you got make sure the dog knows your incontrol , and not the other way . My 2 dogs have different temps, Bryn more dominant temp than Buck , Buck happy to go along with it , but both are very passive towards me , and senstive temps , which is ok but to prefer a bolder temp in a dog if i'm honest , not one who in your face type, but one that dont get up set that easy, like my 2 wimps do lol .

 

put it this way ray , if you kept that big dog of yours confined to a small yard , separated from any form of exercise or behavior to prevent the build up of his massive energetic ability and one day something triggers a release of energy like a kettle finally boiling over, would you say he is trying to social climb or is there a more natural explanation ??

 

[gnasher16 30,217]

 

Where have all the no bad dogs just bad owner little luvvies got to these days !

Hi Gnash,

 

You and me kind of had that conversation on another thread and, I think I may have not put my view across very well.

 

Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not some animal rights luvvie....

 

There are good dogs and there are bad dogs. There are good owners and there are bad owners.

 

As already said in this thread, problems occur when people stop remembering that they have an animal living in their home.

 

..... A dog is a dog is a dog. It's a basic pack animal with muscle and teeth. Whether it weighs 4kg or 40kg.

 

The dog is a basic animal with basic instincts and relatively low intelligence. The problem occur (barring a total brain fart) when bad owners let their guard down.

 

I've had large breeds in the the past. I now have 2 Chihuahuas. Both have fantastic natures, respond well to commands and, have always been treated like dogs. But, they're never left alone with kids or strangers.

 

Ultimately, yes, I do believe it is all down to bad owners and piss poor ownership. A dog is an animal, a human is an inteligent being. People make the decisions, rightly or wrongly, how they are going to allow their animals to behave.

 

I'm not trying to conflict with you in this post. Indeed, I hope I've come across as I intended.

 

Atb

 

Hello squire no you,ve come across well and made some good points its always great listening to folk with different views on a common interest i cant remember chatting with you before so forgive me if i repeat anything ive already said but personally i dont buy into this whole " pack animal " stuff a great deal.....i tend to judge things on what i observe rather than reading from books so im not saying im right its just the conclusions ive come to and what ive realised is we cant put in what nature left out but by the same token we cant remove whats ingrained in a living thing and there will be faults crop up in anything bred from nature thats just life whether they are physical or mental faults makes no difference.

 

The reason i dont buy into the whole pack animal thing is the same reason we cant really call every retriever a true retriever or every fighting dog a fighting dog there are retrievers out there with absolutely no instinct whatsoever to retrieve,fighting dogs with no instinct to fight and that has happened in a relatively short space of time so what reason is there to think many dogs have retained any kind of " pack animal " instinct if they cant even retain the instincts they was bred for ?.......i believe when you stop putting a retriever into retrieving situations or a fighting dog into fighting situations over enough generations they cease to be retrievers/fighting dogs by anything more than name.......so with everyday pet dogs being bred for years and years from other pet dogs i fail to see how a pet dog curled up on an old ladies lap wearing a bib and having its teeth whitened can really be classed as a pack animal.......but that doesn't mean to say a dog that has lost its instinct cant still retain a bit of fire in its belly it can......it just doesnt know what to do with that fire as its instinct has been lost hence you get the types of aggression problems we,re seeing with breeds that at one time were very capable animals.....in a nurture v nature debate i side with nature every time but i accept nurture plays a part and a good owner can do wonders with a bad dog but when a bad owner partners up with a bad dog then the odds on a bad outcome are obviously higher as we are witnessing.

 

Forgive my rambling nonsense its just interesting stuff

Edited October 17, 2016 by gnasher16

[king 11,972]

 

 

Where have all the no bad dogs just bad owner little luvvies got to these days !

 

Hi Gnash,

You and me kind of had that conversation on another thread and, I think I may have not put my view across very well.

Please, don't get me wrong, I'm not some animal rights luvvie....

There are good dogs and there are bad dogs. There are good owners and there are bad owners.

As already said in this thread, problems occur when people stop remembering that they have an animal living in their home.

..... A dog is a dog is a dog. It's a basic pack animal with muscle and teeth. Whether it weighs 4kg or 40kg.

The dog is a basic animal with basic instincts and relatively low intelligence. The problem occur (barring a total brain fart) when bad owners let their guard down.

I've had large breeds in the the past. I now have 2 Chihuahuas. Both have fantastic natures, respond well to commands and, have always been treated like dogs. But, they're never left alone with kids or strangers.

Ultimately, yes, I do believe it is all down to bad owners and piss poor ownership. A dog is an animal, a human is an inteligent being. People make the decisions, rightly or wrongly, how they are going to allow their animals to behave.

I'm not trying to conflict with you in this post. Indeed, I hope I've come across as I intended.

Atb

Hello squire no you,ve come across well and made some good points its always great listening to folk with different views on a common interest i cant remember chatting with you before so forgive me if i repeat anything ive already said but personally i dont buy into this whole " pack animal " stuff a great deal.....i tend to judge things on what i observe rather than reading from books so im not saying im right its just the conclusions ive come to and what ive realised is we cant put in what nature left out but by the same token we cant remove whats ingrained in a living thing and there will be faults crop up in anything bred from nature thats just life whether they are physical or mental faults makes no difference.

 

The reason i dont buy into the whole pack animal thing is the same reason we cant really call every retriever a true retriever or every fighting dog a fighting dog there are retrievers out there with absolutely no instinct whatsoever to retrieve,fighting dogs with no instinct to fight and that has happened in a relatively short space of time so what reason is there to think many dogs have retained any kind of " pack animal " instinct if they cant even retain the instincts they was bred for ?.......i believe when you stop putting a retriever into retrieving situations or a fighting dog into fighting situations over enough generations they cease to be retrievers/fighting dogs by anything more than name.......so with everyday pet dogs being bred for years and years from other pet dogs i fail to see how a pet dog curled up on an old ladies lap wearing a bib and having its teeth whitened can really be classed as a pack animal.......but that doesn't mean to say a dog that has lost its instinct cant still retain a bit of fire in its belly it can......it just doesnt know what to do with that fire as its instinct has been lost hence you get the types of aggression problems we,re seeing with breeds that at one time were very capable animals.....in a nurture v nature debate i side with nature every time but i accept nurture plays a part and a good owner can do wonders with a bad dog but when a bad owner partners up with a bad dog then the odds on a bad outcome are obviously higher as we are witnessing.

 

Forgive my rambling nonsense its just interesting stuff

So what if someone in the pub bought a bull breed dog for a few £00 and the parents and a few generations behind them were used as working dogs.

Unknown to the new owner.it gets taken into an unruly household and then what.will the dog attack it might it might not.

Now if that same pup was brought up in a steady enviroment with a decent dog man would the chance of that dog attacking someone be reduced ?