tatsblisters 10,354 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Got to crack a few eggs to make an omlett Assad should be supported by the west in over throwing these terrorist groups and bringing some form of stability to the country. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto.Does that work both ways then..... Is it only Assad and the Russians killing innocent civilians????? The Americans are not quite so pinpoint accurate as you might think... Where did I say they were? Where have I said I support the Americans over the Russians and Assad? Like I said I've got no dog in this fight. Good to see you've finally accepted Assad and Russia are killing innocent civilians though Now maybe you can give a straight answer to this - is Assad a strongman dictator or a beloved elected leader? I'm still not entirely sure which you actually believe to be the case, you seem to change your mind on a post by post basis. Edited October 13, 2016 by BGD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ? So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto. Nationals of a country have the right to determine its Soveriegn affairs without outside interference,Examples of outside interference Lybia . Iraq, Afghanistan. Yemen Syria the conflicts fermented and Armed by Western Governments and their munitions suppliers thats ok then is it? Let Independent Soveriegn states and their citizens solve their own issues. You know like UK had a referendum to come out of Europe to Govern itself 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto.Does that work both ways then..... Is it only Assad and the Russians killing innocent civilians????? The Americans are not quite so pinpoint accurate as you might think... Where did I say they were? Where have I said I support the Americans over the Russians and Assad? Like I said I've got no dog in this fight. Good to see you've finally accepted Assad and Russia are killing innocent civilians though Now maybe you can give a straight answer to this - is Assad a strongman dictator or a beloved elected leader? I'm still not entirely sure which you actually believe to be the case, you seem to change your mind on a post by post basis. Is civilian death a new concept in warfare then? Are western powers also killing innocent civilians in Syria also??? Well that depends which side you look at it from does it not? I've aways stated he's the lesser of two evils. So what is your point in this topic, to nitpick wether I think he's a dictator or not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto.Does that work both ways then..... Is it only Assad and the Russians killing innocent civilians????? The Americans are not quite so pinpoint accurate as you might think... Where did I say they were? Where have I said I support the Americans over the Russians and Assad? Like I said I've got no dog in this fight. Good to see you've finally accepted Assad and Russia are killing innocent civilians though Now maybe you can give a straight answer to this - is Assad a strongman dictator or a beloved elected leader? I'm still not entirely sure which you actually believe to be the case, you seem to change your mind on a post by post basis. Is civilian death a new concept in warfare then? Are western powers also killing innocent civilians in Syria also??? Well that depends which side you look at it from does it not? I've aways stated he's the lesser of two evils. So what is your point in this topic, to nitpick wether I think he's a dictator or not? That'll be a no on the straight answer then Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto.Does that work both ways then..... Is it only Assad and the Russians killing innocent civilians????? The Americans are not quite so pinpoint accurate as you might think... Where did I say they were? Where have I said I support the Americans over the Russians and Assad? Like I said I've got no dog in this fight. Good to see you've finally accepted Assad and Russia are killing innocent civilians though Now maybe you can give a straight answer to this - is Assad a strongman dictator or a beloved elected leader? I'm still not entirely sure which you actually believe to be the case, you seem to change your mind on a post by post basis. Is civilian death a new concept in warfare then? Are western powers also killing innocent civilians in Syria also??? Well that depends which side you look at it from does it not? I've aways stated he's the lesser of two evils. So what is your point in this topic, to nitpick wether I think he's a dictator or not? That'll be a no on the straight answer then There is no straight answer, he's labeled a dictator in the west so I called him one, wow...... Now answer my questions on some points that are actually relevant.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto. Nationals of a country have the right to determine its Soveriegn affairs without outside interference,Examples of outside interference Lybia . Iraq, Afghanistan. Yemen Syria the conflicts fermented and Armed by Western Governments and their munitions suppliers thats ok then is it? Let Independent Soveriegn states and their citizens solve their own issues. You know like UK had a referendum to come out of Europe to Govern itself Agreed, Assad should hold free and fair elections so the nationals can determine their own soveriegn affairs without outside interference 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto.Does that work both ways then..... Is it only Assad and the Russians killing innocent civilians????? The Americans are not quite so pinpoint accurate as you might think... Where did I say they were? Where have I said I support the Americans over the Russians and Assad? Like I said I've got no dog in this fight. Good to see you've finally accepted Assad and Russia are killing innocent civilians though Now maybe you can give a straight answer to this - is Assad a strongman dictator or a beloved elected leader? I'm still not entirely sure which you actually believe to be the case, you seem to change your mind on a post by post basis. Is civilian death a new concept in warfare then? Are western powers also killing innocent civilians in Syria also??? Well that depends which side you look at it from does it not? I've aways stated he's the lesser of two evils. So what is your point in this topic, to nitpick wether I think he's a dictator or not? That'll be a no on the straight answer then There is no straight answer, he's labeled a dictator in the west so I called him one, wow...... Now answer my questions on some points that are actually relevant.... I asked what you believe him to be, if there's no straight answer to that question you obviously don't even know your own mind... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto. Nationals of a country have the right to determine its Soveriegn affairs without outside interference,Examples of outside interference Lybia . Iraq, Afghanistan. Yemen Syria the conflicts fermented and Armed by Western Governments and their munitions suppliers thats ok then is it? Let Independent Soveriegn states and their citizens solve their own issues. You know like UK had a referendum to come out of Europe to Govern itself Agreed, Assad should hold free and fair elections so the nationals can determine their own soveriegn affairs without outside interference Stick to Western politics and Corbyn/labour party your out of your depth in Middle Eastern affairs, especially the concept of western democracy being implemented in a tribal based region. Edited October 13, 2016 by desertbred 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) I think he's good for Syria and Europe as a dictator or not, what do you think??? Answer the question... Edited October 13, 2016 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Unfortunately, one of the facts of war is that civilians get killed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Unfortunately, one of the facts of war is that civilians get killed. But only Assad and the Russians do that..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto. Nationals of a country have the right to determine its Soveriegn affairs without outside interference,Examples of outside interference Lybia . Iraq, Afghanistan. Yemen Syria the conflicts fermented and Armed by Western Governments and their munitions suppliers thats ok then is it? Let Independent Soveriegn states and their citizens solve their own issues. You know like UK had a referendum to come out of Europe to Govern itselfAgreed, Assad should hold free and fair elections so the nationals can determine their own soveriegn affairs without outside interference Stick to Western politics and Corbyn/labour party your out of your depth in Middle Eastern affairs, especially the concept of western democracy being implemented in a tribal based region. According to DogFox Assad has already held elections and won them so sounds like Western democracy has already been implemented over there, I'm just saying he should renew his mandate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 I think he's good for Syria and Europe as a dictator or not, what do you think??? Answer the question... So you think he's done a good job of keeping Syria stable? I think he's failed at that personally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 The narrative you're pushing in this thread is incredibly contradictory, first he's a strongman dictator keeping hold of power by cracking down on the population with an iron fist and then he's a beloved elected leader with the support of huge swathes of the population, which is it?The western world likes to call him a dictator don't they? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.... You were calling him a dictator yourself earlier in the thread! You really need to make your mind up. Who do you think has killed more of the Syrian population, Assad and Russia or ISIS? Who has more legitimate right to be in Syria Assad or the outside forces ?So leveling cities and wiping out civilian populations is perfectly fine as long as whoever is doing it has a "legitimate right" to be in the country, righto. Nationals of a country have the right to determine its Soveriegn affairs without outside interference,Examples of outside interference Lybia . Iraq, Afghanistan. Yemen Syria the conflicts fermented and Armed by Western Governments and their munitions suppliers thats ok then is it? Let Independent Soveriegn states and their citizens solve their own issues. You know like UK had a referendum to come out of Europe to Govern itselfAgreed, Assad should hold free and fair elections so the nationals can determine their own soveriegn affairs without outside interference Stick to Western politics and Corbyn/labour party your out of your depth in Middle Eastern affairs, especially the concept of western democracy being implemented in a tribal based region. According to DogFox Assad has already held elections and won them so sounds like Western democracy has already been implemented over there, I'm just saying he should renew his mandate Did Syria or not have elections in 2014 or not, quick question??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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