Syria, Who's Right And Who's Wrong?

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

 

 

 

Never thought i would ever hear myself say this, but after seeing the horrendous scenes in recent weeks. If i could i would gladly give one of these kids and thier mother a place to stay. Maybe im getting mellow in my old age i dunno but i really feel sorry for them. One lad going to school ( well if you could call it that ) hit by an air strike killing his brother and father.

dont know if it actually sunk in to his head yet or he has seen so much of it has become desensitise to the carnage around him,but all he wanted was to go back to school. It certainly makes you realise how fortunate we are in this country.

Im not for one minute suggesting we should open our borders to everyone but there are certainly cases where we could do a wee bit more.

Oh and yes im aware its not our problem and we have troubles of our own in this country,but even on our worse days in this country our troubles dont even come close to what some of these kids suffer on a daily basis. Russia has been taking liberties for a few year now not just in syria but sll over the place. However we stand back in fear of causing a war. Well wasn't the whole concept of NATO born to avoid such things! Yes russia would be a tough foe but definitely not unbeatable.

In fact the Russians only take heed to a tough stance.

you have to remember we to during WW2 were in a tight corner and other nations came to our aid. Even taking our kids in and protecting them. Surely we as human beings regardless of nationality have some kind of responsibility in doing something to help them.

You do realise we have done a lot more damage and unsettled these countries a hell of a lot more than Russia?

Russia not unbeatable? What are you smoking? If we ever went to war with Russia then it's likely we are all goners...

I honestly don't know why people think Russia are some sort of hard bitten super power. They have little to no expeditionary capability.

http://www.europeangeostrategy.org/2014/01/european-geostrategy-audit-major-powers-worlds-fifteen-most-powerful-countries-2014/

The Kremlin is far from transparent on their military capabilities, they don't seem to bothered about upsetting the Yanks in Syria at the minute do they?

The point is most people seem to be under the impression that the Russians are far more powerful than they actually are. Their ability to operate beyond their effective territory is almost non existent and they have very little in the way of soft power. They have a stronger legal argument for their intervention in Syria vs. the US argument. Just because the US is the accepted present day Superpower doesn't give them absolute power. The Russians are nothing if not calculated players and this is a perfect example.

It wouldn't really need to as the war would likely take place in Eastern Europe. There would never be a straight fight anyway between the USA and Russia and would be massively influenced on who China would side with.

If a war took place on the Russian border then they're going to struggle making us "goners". This topic is massive so I'm not going into it further. I simply wanted to make the point that the Russians ain't this mythical foe that we seem to believe them to be, they're very real and vulnerable like many other states.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Never thought i would ever hear myself say this, but after seeing the horrendous scenes in recent weeks. If i could i would gladly give one of these kids and thier mother a place to stay. Maybe im getting mellow in my old age i dunno but i really feel sorry for them. One lad going to school ( well if you could call it that ) hit by an air strike killing his brother and father.

dont know if it actually sunk in to his head yet or he has seen so much of it has become desensitise to the carnage around him,but all he wanted was to go back to school. It certainly makes you realise how fortunate we are in this country.

Im not for one minute suggesting we should open our borders to everyone but there are certainly cases where we could do a wee bit more.

Oh and yes im aware its not our problem and we have troubles of our own in this country,but even on our worse days in this country our troubles dont even come close to what some of these kids suffer on a daily basis. Russia has been taking liberties for a few year now not just in syria but sll over the place. However we stand back in fear of causing a war. Well wasn't the whole concept of NATO born to avoid such things! Yes russia would be a tough foe but definitely not unbeatable.

In fact the Russians only take heed to a tough stance.

you have to remember we to during WW2 were in a tight corner and other nations came to our aid. Even taking our kids in and protecting them. Surely we as human beings regardless of nationality have some kind of responsibility in doing something to help them.

You do realise we have done a lot more damage and unsettled these countries a hell of a lot more than Russia?

Russia not unbeatable? What are you smoking? If we ever went to war with Russia then it's likely we are all goners...

I honestly don't know why people think Russia are some sort of hard bitten super power. They have little to no expeditionary capability.

http://www.europeangeostrategy.org/2014/01/european-geostrategy-audit-major-powers-worlds-fifteen-most-powerful-countries-2014/

The Kremlin is far from transparent on their military capabilities, they don't seem to bothered about upsetting the Yanks in Syria at the minute do they?

The point is most people seem to be under the impression that the Russians are far more powerful than they actually are. Their ability to operate beyond their effective territory is almost non existent and they have very little in the way of soft power. They have a stronger legal argument for their intervention in Syria vs. the US argument. Just because the US is the accepted present day Superpower doesn't give them absolute power. The Russians are nothing if not calculated players and this is a perfect example.

It wouldn't really need to as the war would likely take place in Eastern Europe. There would never be a straight fight anyway between the USA and Russia and would be massively influenced on who China would side with.

If a war took place on the Russian border then they're going to struggle making us "goners". This topic is massive so I'm not going into it further. I simply wanted to make the point that the Russians ain't this mythical foe that we seem to believe them to be, they're very real and vulnerable like many other states.

I was hinting at Nuclear War, the UK and Europe would be fcuked, along with Russia of course.....

[DogFox123 1,379]

P4P Israel would take some beating and that includes the USA.....

[shepp 2,285]

 

Well evidently what ever i say you are going to say they arent. Well guess its a dodgy batch of mortar bringing down their homes and hospitals.

Might have got the same batch that the Yanks used to kill the Syrian military with then?????

 

What about the 73 civilians killed by the Americans in the Syrian village of Tohkkar?

 

A lot of 'whataboutery' going on here lol

[Born Hunter 17,763]

I was hinting at Nuclear War, the UK and Europe would be fcuked, along with Russia of course.....

Even the use of strategic nukes is more than a simple topic. Considering the development of US and NATO-European missile defence networks. The Russians get very pissy about that because it threatens their ability to strike and therefore maintain a credible deterent.

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

Well evidently what ever i say you are going to say they arent. Well guess its a dodgy batch of mortar bringing down their homes and hospitals.

Might have got the same batch that the Yanks used to kill the Syrian military with then?????

 

What about the 73 civilians killed by the Americans in the Syrian village of Tohkkar?

A lot of 'whataboutery' going on here lol

It's the Hunting Life's Cold War.....

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

I was hinting at Nuclear War, the UK and Europe would be fcuked, along with Russia of course.....

Even the use of strategic nukes is more than a simple topic. Considering the development of US and NATO-European missile defence networks. The Russians get very pissy about that because it threatens their ability to strike and therefore maintain a credible deterent.

I've always been led to believe that we are very capable of using nuclear attacks but are virtually defenceless from being attacked ourselves??

 

Do you think Trident would save the day?

[Born Hunter 17,763]

 

 

I was hinting at Nuclear War, the UK and Europe would be fcuked, along with Russia of course.....

Even the use of strategic nukes is more than a simple topic. Considering the development of US and NATO-European missile defence networks. The Russians get very pissy about that because it threatens their ability to strike and therefore maintain a credible deterent.

I've always been led to believe that we are very capable of using nuclear attacks but are virtually defenceless from being attacked ourselves??

Do you think Trident would save the day?

National and regional missile defence systems are still in development with destroyers and other assets being tested in that role. It's an evolving thing that the Russians don't seem to be keeping up with. But the stronger those networks the harder it makes their job of flattening us without sustaining unacceptable consequences themselves.

 

Even that doesn't mean 'we win' though because then they might adapt and work on stealth missiles and below the horizon strikes using cruise missiles or bombers etc. And then our defences rely on defending against more conventional strikes.

 

If we are at the point where nukes are being chucked about then I think trident has failed. But yes, I think trident is of huge value for preventing that.

 

But let's not kid ourselves, there's a lot that would happen in a confrontation before that. It'd largely be fought by proxy and our ability to deploy force globally to such crisis is generally superior to theirs.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Born Hunter

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Back to Syria... A rebel held town, and a suburb of Damascus have surrendered to government forces:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebel-held-town-western-ghouta-surrender-saas-advance/

 

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebels-surrender-another-important-suburb-rural-damascus/

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That's the thing scothunter there's so many bogus refugees that people lose sympathy and when they are travelling through a dozen countries to get to a place of their choice it makes the genuine cases that we SHOULD be helping pushed further back when they should be first and everything possible done to keep them safe

[DogFox123 1,379]

Back to Syria... A rebel held town, and a suburb of Damascus have surrendered to government forces:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebel-held-town-western-ghouta-surrender-saas-advance/

 

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/rebels-surrender-another-important-suburb-rural-damascus/

Nicely nicely.....

[scothunter 12,609]

That's the thing scothunter there's so many bogus refugees that people lose sympaten they are travelling through a dozen countries to get to a place of their choice it makes the genuine cases that we SHOULD be helping pushed further back when they should be first and everything possible done to keep them safe

I agree mate and have been saying that very thing for years. However some people think they are all the same and even the death of innocents is a good thing. I myself had the same belief when i was young and stupid.

Only a c**t would think death of kids is ok!

[DogFox123 1,379]

Just read that the EU should be prepared for returning jihadists if they are driven out of Iraq, you see that's one of the reasons we should leave the Middle East the fcuk alone!!!

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

 

That's the thing scothunter there's so many bogus refugees that people lose sympathy and when they are travelling through a dozen countries to get to a place of their choice it makes the genuine cases that we SHOULD be helping pushed further back when they should be first and everything possible done to keep them safe

image.jpeg The c**ts are pretending to be kids now wtf At

I would not let my kids step foot in a school where these 25 year old teenagers are being sent and no court in the land would make me either why down they send them to the schools these politicians kids are going to? Oh that's right they go to to 18grqnd a year private schools don't they $#@#$#ers

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Two-thirds of child refugees screened by officials found to be adults, Home Office figures show:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/