DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 One of the biggest problems with the Middle East has been Western powers destabilising nations over there. If you want to help refugees, increase the amount of aid for those in refugee camps in neighbouring countries.Let's be honest it would be far from stable either if left alone. I agree though, we should put more time and effort into getting our own country back on track first and foremost. I do believe an iron fist is needed to have relative stability over there though. So should Russia. I don't give a toss about Russia tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 One of the biggest problems with the Middle East has been Western powers destabilising nations over there. If you want to help refugees, increase the amount of aid for those in refugee camps in neighbouring countries.Let's be honest it would be far from stable either if left alone. I agree though, we should put more time and effort into getting our own country back on track first and foremost. I do believe an iron fist is needed to have relative stability over there though. So should Russia. I don't give a toss about Russia tbh. Now that's a surprise! Judging by how you go on about them on here, it makes you sound like one of those Russia apologists who spends all day watching RT and believes it is unbiased truth, when in fact it is just a Kremlin mouth piece. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 One of the biggest problems with the Middle East has been Western powers destabilising nations over there. If you want to help refugees, increase the amount of aid for those in refugee camps in neighbouring countries.Let's be honest it would be far from stable either if left alone. I agree though, we should put more time and effort into getting our own country back on track first and foremost. I do believe an iron fist is needed to have relative stability over there though. So should Russia. I don't give a toss about Russia tbh. Now that's a surprise!Judging by how you go on about them on here, it makes you sound like one of those Russia apologists who spends all day watching RT and believes it is unbiased truth, when in fact it is just a Kremlin mouth piece. Russian apologist??? Facts are they are the only fcukers having an impact on ISIS. If you're happy bending over for the Yanks and taking it up the wrong un then hey ho... I suppose you think the news over here is unbiased truth.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,818 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Never thought i would ever hear myself say this, but after seeing the horrendous scenes in recent weeks. If i could i would gladly give one of these kids and thier mother a place to stay. Maybe im getting mellow in my old age i dunno but i really feel sorry for them. One lad going to school ( well if you could call it that ) hit by an air strike killing his brother and father. dont know if it actually sunk in to his head yet or he has seen so much of it has become desensitise to the carnage around him,but all he wanted was to go back to school. It certainly makes you realise how fortunate we are in this country. Im not for one minute suggesting we should open our borders to everyone but there are certainly cases where we could do a wee bit more. Oh and yes im aware its not our problem and we have troubles of our own in this country,but even on our worse days in this country our troubles dont even come close to what some of these kids suffer on a daily basis. Russia has been taking liberties for a few year now not just in syria but sll over the place. However we stand back in fear of causing a war. Well wasn't the whole concept of NATO born to avoid such things! Yes russia would be a tough foe but definitely not unbeatable. In fact the Russians only take heed to a tough stance. you have to remember we to during WW2 were in a tight corner and other nations came to our aid. Even taking our kids in and protecting them. Surely we as human beings regardless of nationality have some kind of responsibility in doing something to help them. You do realise we have done a lot more damage and unsettled these countries a hell of a lot more than Russia? Russia not unbeatable? What are you smoking? If we ever went to war with Russia then it's likely we are all goners... I honestly don't know why people think Russia are some sort of hard bitten super power. They have little to no expeditionary capability. http://www.europeangeostrategy.org/2014/01/european-geostrategy-audit-major-powers-worlds-fifteen-most-powerful-countries-2014/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 One of the biggest problems with the Middle East has been Western powers destabilising nations over there. If you want to help refugees, increase the amount of aid for those in refugee camps in neighbouring countries.Let's be honest it would be far from stable either if left alone. I agree though, we should put more time and effort into getting our own country back on track first and foremost. I do believe an iron fist is needed to have relative stability over there though. So should Russia. I don't give a toss about Russia tbh. Now that's a surprise!Judging by how you go on about them on here, it makes you sound like one of those Russia apologists who spends all day watching RT and believes it is unbiased truth, when in fact it is just a Kremlin mouth piece. Russian apologist??? Facts are they are the only fcukers having an impact on ISIS. If you're happy bending over for the Yanks and taking it up the wrong un then hey ho... I suppose you think the news over here is unbiased truth.... No I don't, nor do I believe RT is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Amazing how Russia tries to me a superpower with an economy the size of Italy's? How can such a vast country have such a weak economy? Take away the oil and gas and they have nothing. Maybe Stalins purges wiped out so many of the free thinking intelligentsia that the gene pool will never recover? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Never thought i would ever hear myself say this, but after seeing the horrendous scenes in recent weeks. If i could i would gladly give one of these kids and thier mother a place to stay. Maybe im getting mellow in my old age i dunno but i really feel sorry for them. One lad going to school ( well if you could call it that ) hit by an air strike killing his brother and father. dont know if it actually sunk in to his head yet or he has seen so much of it has become desensitise to the carnage around him,but all he wanted was to go back to school. It certainly makes you realise how fortunate we are in this country. Im not for one minute suggesting we should open our borders to everyone but there are certainly cases where we could do a wee bit more. Oh and yes im aware its not our problem and we have troubles of our own in this country,but even on our worse days in this country our troubles dont even come close to what some of these kids suffer on a daily basis. Russia has been taking liberties for a few year now not just in syria but sll over the place. However we stand back in fear of causing a war. Well wasn't the whole concept of NATO born to avoid such things! Yes russia would be a tough foe but definitely not unbeatable. In fact the Russians only take heed to a tough stance. you have to remember we to during WW2 were in a tight corner and other nations came to our aid. Even taking our kids in and protecting them. Surely we as human beings regardless of nationality have some kind of responsibility in doing something to help them. You do realise we have done a lot more damage and unsettled these countries a hell of a lot more than Russia? Russia not unbeatable? What are you smoking? If we ever went to war with Russia then it's likely we are all goners... I honestly don't know why people think Russia are some sort of hard bitten super power. They have little to no expeditionary capability. http://www.europeangeostrategy.org/2014/01/european-geostrategy-audit-major-powers-worlds-fifteen-most-powerful-countries-2014/ The Kremlin is far from transparent on their military capabilities, they don't seem to bothered about upsetting the Yanks in Syria at the minute do they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 I know Russia is friendly with China but I'm guessing the USA would end any alliance between the pair without a drop of blood being spilt, it's all about the ££££ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,818 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Never thought i would ever hear myself say this, but after seeing the horrendous scenes in recent weeks. If i could i would gladly give one of these kids and thier mother a place to stay. Maybe im getting mellow in my old age i dunno but i really feel sorry for them. One lad going to school ( well if you could call it that ) hit by an air strike killing his brother and father. dont know if it actually sunk in to his head yet or he has seen so much of it has become desensitise to the carnage around him,but all he wanted was to go back to school. It certainly makes you realise how fortunate we are in this country. Im not for one minute suggesting we should open our borders to everyone but there are certainly cases where we could do a wee bit more. Oh and yes im aware its not our problem and we have troubles of our own in this country,but even on our worse days in this country our troubles dont even come close to what some of these kids suffer on a daily basis. Russia has been taking liberties for a few year now not just in syria but sll over the place. However we stand back in fear of causing a war. Well wasn't the whole concept of NATO born to avoid such things! Yes russia would be a tough foe but definitely not unbeatable. In fact the Russians only take heed to a tough stance. you have to remember we to during WW2 were in a tight corner and other nations came to our aid. Even taking our kids in and protecting them. Surely we as human beings regardless of nationality have some kind of responsibility in doing something to help them. You do realise we have done a lot more damage and unsettled these countries a hell of a lot more than Russia? Russia not unbeatable? What are you smoking? If we ever went to war with Russia then it's likely we are all goners... I honestly don't know why people think Russia are some sort of hard bitten super power. They have little to no expeditionary capability. http://www.europeangeostrategy.org/2014/01/european-geostrategy-audit-major-powers-worlds-fifteen-most-powerful-countries-2014/ The Kremlin is far from transparent on their military capabilities, they don't seem to bothered about upsetting the Yanks in Syria at the minute do they? The point is most people seem to be under the impression that the Russians are far more powerful than they actually are. Their ability to operate beyond their effective territory is almost non existent and they have very little in the way of soft power. They have a stronger legal argument for their intervention in Syria vs. the US argument. Just because the US is the accepted present day Superpower doesn't give them absolute power. The Russians are nothing if not calculated players and this is a perfect example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 The Russian's were invited into Syria by their allies the Syrian government. Their air strikes often target Al Qaeda affiliated jihadists, while NATO air strikes are mainly aimed at ISIS. The main difference is that the Russian and Syrian Air Force will target enemy forces regardless of whether they're mingling with civilians, while NATO forces will try and avoid civilian casualties. Time will tell which strategy is most effective. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Im not smoking anything. You should maybe read what i wrote instead of being sarcastic. So we just give Russia carte blanche in the world in case we upset them and its all out war. There a name for that kind of thinking. I also didn't say we were blameless in all this. Russia are targeting civilians and hospitals which is a war crime. If you you're beloved Russians would never do that then just look back @ the 80s during the occupation of Afghanistan did the very same thing and even worse acts.In fact you can keep going back and you will find a similar pattern. f**k russia never liked the b*****ds shower of criminals. If push came to shove and it was war and NATO didn't wobble the Russians would back down. As i said show of force is all they understand. If you know you're history you will know what i mean. Right few reds under the bed on this thread lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Never thought i would ever hear myself say this, but after seeing the horrendous scenes in recent weeks. If i could i would gladly give one of these kids and thier mother a place to stay. Maybe im getting mellow in my old age i dunno but i really feel sorry for them. One lad going to school ( well if you could call it that ) hit by an air strike killing his brother and father. dont know if it actually sunk in to his head yet or he has seen so much of it has become desensitise to the carnage around him,but all he wanted was to go back to school. It certainly makes you realise how fortunate we are in this country. Im not for one minute suggesting we should open our borders to everyone but there are certainly cases where we could do a wee bit more. Oh and yes im aware its not our problem and we have troubles of our own in this country,but even on our worse days in this country our troubles dont even come close to what some of these kids suffer on a daily basis. Russia has been taking liberties for a few year now not just in syria but sll over the place. However we stand back in fear of causing a war. Well wasn't the whole concept of NATO born to avoid such things! Yes russia would be a tough foe but definitely not unbeatable. In fact the Russians only take heed to a tough stance. you have to remember we to during WW2 were in a tight corner and other nations came to our aid. Even taking our kids in and protecting them. Surely we as human beings regardless of nationality have some kind of responsibility in doing something to help them. You do realise we have done a lot more damage and unsettled these countries a hell of a lot more than Russia? Russia not unbeatable? What are you smoking? If we ever went to war with Russia then it's likely we are all goners... I honestly don't know why people think Russia are some sort of hard bitten super power. They have little to no expeditionary capability. http://www.europeangeostrategy.org/2014/01/european-geostrategy-audit-major-powers-worlds-fifteen-most-powerful-countries-2014/ The Kremlin is far from transparent on their military capabilities, they don't seem to bothered about upsetting the Yanks in Syria at the minute do they? The point is most people seem to be under the impression that the Russians are far more powerful than they actually are. Their ability to operate beyond their effective territory is almost non existent and they have very little in the way of soft power. They have a stronger legal argument for their intervention in Syria vs. the US argument. Just because the US is the accepted present day Superpower doesn't give them absolute power. The Russians are nothing if not calculated players and this is a perfect example. It wouldn't really need to as the war would likely take place in Eastern Europe. There would never be a straight fight anyway between the USA and Russia and would be massively influenced on who China would side with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Im not smoking anything. You should maybe read what i wrote instead of being sarcastic. So we just give Russia carte blanche in the world in case we upset them and its all out war. There a name for that kind of thinking. I also didn't say we were blameless in all this. Russia are targeting civilians and hospitals which is a war crime. If you you're beloved Russians would never do that then just look back @ the 80s during the occupation of Afghanistan did the very same thing and even worse acts.In fact you can keep going back and you will find a similar pattern. f**k russia never liked the b*****ds shower of criminals. If push came to shove and it was war and NATO didn't wobble the Russians would back down. As i said show of force is all they understand. If you know you're history you will know what i mean. Right few reds under the bed on this thread lol Russia are not actively targeting civilians though are they? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Well evidently what ever i say you are going to say they arent. Well guess its a dodgy batch of mortar bringing down their homes and hospitals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogFox123 1,379 Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) Well evidently what ever i say you are going to say they arent. Well guess its a dodgy batch of mortar bringing down their homes and hospitals.Might have got the same batch that the Yanks used to kill the Syrian military with then????? What about the 73 civilians killed by the Americans in the Syrian village of Tohkkar? Edited October 18, 2016 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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