Syria, Who's Right And Who's Wrong?

[BGD 6,436]

Hey I haven't presented myself as some kind of expert I've just been asking questions

 

I haven't seen much evidence come from you though just how you say things are with nothing to back it up.

[shepp 2,285]

Well nobody is coming out of this with much glory.

Putin wants to look like the savour of Mother Russia by tring to claw back the old USSR territories, keeping a foothold in the Middle East and making enemies of the West so his people have something to rally against. This stops them looking inwards at Russias failing economy. Plus with nearly all media controlled by Putin, they have a distorted view of the outside world, bit like RT fans here who take what's said on there as the word of God.

We backed people that on the surface were moderates, they appear to have been taken over by Islamists. Cameron was naive on that one.

Assad is basically saving his own skin as well as those who support him. If he fails it will be a blood bath and his supporters well know it.

At least minorities were relatovely safe under his leadership.

Edited October 13, 2016 by shepp

[Greyman 28,286]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

War= more refugees for BGD to welcome into this country....

Do Russian and Syrian airstrikes not displace people and create refugees then? Earlier you were quite happy to accept those displaced by airstrikes as collateral damage, seems you're the one who's relaxed with the idea of creating more refugees...

About as much as western air strikes don't you agree???

It's part of war yes, do I want then coming to this country? Do I fcuk.....

Why the need to let them in here? Plenty of nearby western armed countries nearby to escape to don't you agree???

The Russian and Syrian airstrikes are more concentrated on areas with large civilian populations and there's been more of them so no I wouldn't agree they've displaced the same number of people as more targeted strikes. Arguing over numbers is a bit pointless though, the fact remains that the airstrikes and regime you support are one of the largest causes of the refugee crisis.

I've always said it would be better for the refugees to go to well maintained and protected humanitarian camps closer to Syria...

Why do you think they are more concentrated in civilian areas?

Do you think they are specifically targeting civilian areas?

Why have the USA killed harmless civilians in Syria?

You fail to acknowledge that the West is a major factor in the high death toll as well.....

Because they are.

Yes.

I don't know, ask them?

No I don't.

You'll have to do better than that.

Why are they targeting civilians specifically then?

I asked you not them??

Why don't you?

Nah I'm happy with that answer.

I don't pretend to know their motives.

Likewise for the Americans.

I don't because err, I don't.

in all fairness mate, I said my piece ten pages ago then stopped, you have talked shit now for ten pages and said know more than the sun newspaper, or any of the other daily propaganda rags, sometimes if you know nothing, it's better to say nothing, please don't take offence it's just your making a bit of an arse of yourself now and it's time to change the record sorry

[BGD 6,436]

in all fairness mate, I said my piece ten pages ago then stopped, you have talked shit now for ten pages and said know more than the sun newspaper, or any of the other daily propaganda rags, sometimes if you know nothing, it's better to say nothing, please don't take offence it's just your making a bit of an arse of yourself now and it's time to change the record sorry

Who forced you to read it all?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

in all fairness mate, I said my piece ten pages ago then stopped, you have talked shit now for ten pages and said know more than the sun newspaper, or any of the other daily propaganda rags, sometimes if you know nothing, it's better to say nothing, please don't take offence it's just your making a bit of an arse of yourself now and it's time to change the record sorry

Who forced you to read it all?

Do you think we should overthrow Assad then?

[Greyman 28,286]

 

in all fairness mate, I said my piece ten pages ago then stopped, you have talked shit now for ten pages and said know more than the sun newspaper, or any of the other daily propaganda rags, sometimes if you know nothing, it's better to say nothing, please don't take offence it's just your making a bit of an arse of yourself now and it's time to change the record sorry

Who forced you to read it all?

if people have a valid point or some useful information I,m all ears, I,m not a leftie or a righty, I have know religion, and my family are as ethnically diverse as you can get I,m open to all intelligent arguments from every side, but sadly your blinkered political leanings are blinding your opinions and killing what could have been an interesting topic, know one forced me to read anything but I hung on in hope, now after ten pages of shite from your good self, I'm not only loosing hope, but the will to live also, I,m sure I,m not alone, so I thought I would attempt to stop you continuing down this blind alley, but clearly thats not going to work So I will leave you to it, cheers

[BGD 6,436]

 

 

in all fairness mate, I said my piece ten pages ago then stopped, you have talked shit now for ten pages and said know more than the sun newspaper, or any of the other daily propaganda rags, sometimes if you know nothing, it's better to say nothing, please don't take offence it's just your making a bit of an arse of yourself now and it's time to change the record sorry

Who forced you to read it all?

Do you think we should overthrow Assad then?

I reckon we should stay out of it, I think foreign intervention have caused nothing but problems in the Middle East. You seem to be the one advocating for more of it.

[C556 351]

Negotiations continue to surrender east Aleppo:

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/negotiations-surrender-east-aleppo-continue-syrian-army-rebels/

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

in all fairness mate, I said my piece ten pages ago then stopped, you have talked shit now for ten pages and said know more than the sun newspaper, or any of the other daily propaganda rags, sometimes if you know nothing, it's better to say nothing, please don't take offence it's just your making a bit of an arse of yourself now and it's time to change the record sorry

Who forced you to read it all?

Do you think we should overthrow Assad then?

I reckon we should stay out of it, I think foreign intervention have caused nothing but problems in the Middle East. You seem to be the one advocating for more of it.

I reckon we should but we won't, we do agree on that. Trouble is we haven't and we will have to suffer the consequences.

[DogFox123 1,379]

http://news.sky.com/story/us-russia-relations-worst-i-have-seen-says-ex-soviet-propagandist-10615609

 

A relationship on thin ice.....

[Lenmcharristar 9,734]

How about asking the peoples of the Middle East if they want our help or interference? If they say no then we just stop, stop aid and payments as well as arming dangerous gurella gangs

[Malt 379]

The middle east is a bloody complicated place. Yes, to the outsider, the people are basic and simple but, they operate on a system of morals and honour that has become alien to us now.

 

Of course you'll find scumbags wherever you go but, read up on the real genuine desert bedouine people. They're an interesting lot to say the least.

 

Personally, I think the whole area would be either best left well alone or, invaded properly and divided up among developed nations so that the indigenous populations can be helped, developed and protected properly.

It's all of the halfhearted bullshit that's caused the problems.

A system of morals and honour?? You mean like the way a woman can be molested and raped purely for being outside without a male escort? ..and the whole area was divided after the world wars into the countries that stand today after centuries of Ottoman rule, it didn't work then and it wouldn't work now..

[desertbred 5,490]

 

The middle east is a bloody complicated place. Yes, to the outsider, the people are basic and simple but, they operate on a system of morals and honour that has become alien to us now.

 

Of course you'll find scumbags wherever you go but, read up on the real genuine desert bedouine people. They're an interesting lot to say the least.

 

Personally, I think the whole area would be either best left well alone or, invaded properly and divided up among developed nations so that the indigenous populations can be helped, developed and protected properly.

It's all of the halfhearted bullshit that's caused the problems.

A system of morals and honour?? You mean like the way a woman can be molested and raped purely for being outside without a male escort? ..and the whole area was divided after the world wars into the countries that stand today after centuries of Ottoman rule, it didn't work then and it wouldn't work now..

 

Morals and Honour are only found in a portion of any Society or nation. Immorality and Dishonour are not the sole domain of any one group or society, just as stupidity is spread around the worlds population.

[DogFox123 1,379]

DB, you obviously have more knowledge on what makes the Middle East tick, no pun intended.... what's your opinion on what should be done???

[desertbred 5,490]

The Middle East has thousands of years of tribal and family allegiances. Through marriage , political or military superiority. it is the way of the Society. The low levels of Education in Saudia one of the richest Countries on earth and on the other End in Iran 98% of the population receive education at state expense. The low educational levels mean that governance and leadership of the masses is a must Democracy is a play thing of the Educated and the Rich. Dictatorships and power rule in the Middle East. iSLAM is a Dictatorship not a Democracy as in the Islamic Republic of Iran it is the Government that is responsible for the welfare of the people. In Saudia the King and his family are the richest and the most corrupt.The interference and attempts to impose Western Democracy have left the Middle East and the whole world facing the problems it faces today. Dictatorships good or bad controlled the systems within their own borders good or bad that is fact. Now proxy Western Regimes have been installed by world powers for their own political and hedgemonistic gains, Get the Foreign troops out of the region yes there will be a blood bath but the problem will resolve itself , The World wars 1 AND 2 were started in the West by interference in other countries affairs its now debatable who were the winners and losers look at Germany,s position now and Japan , it. appears two Countries benefited most one the USA and the other I will leave you to figure it out but it wasnt GB. My view is the Middle East needs to sort out this Western quagmire and the Refugee problem itself the human rights and war crimes commision wont solve this mess that is for certain.

Edited October 14, 2016 by desertbred