Terriermen

[WEDGEY 755]

 

Wirralman do you know any none druggy dog men on wirral?

Apart from charlie pointer hes not really a man more of wet wipe. He doesnt count. Lol

 

Unfortunately the lad in question could not cope with divorce, he was totally anti-smoking,anti-drugs until his 40's, started drinking Stella and his brother got him started with cocaine and the rest was history, went from a lad that needed nothing except his dogs to a huge mess and no amount of trying to help him made any difference, he had a black curly coated patter dale bitch that I think came off Brightmore stuff, the only terrier I ever seen kill badger on a regular basis and probably one of the best terriers I ever had the pleasure of digging to, she got a few stuck and lost terriers out the shit when she was called upon to do so, I miss his company as most of the lads I take out these days do not have the depth of knowledge we acquired over 30 yrs of digging, the biggest shame for me is he has no memory of all those years of dog work, he took every photo,video and item of clothing associated with the countryside and set fire to the lot in his front garden after a massive row, some really good close up and personal pics, living on the edge of a "Metroplolis" brings most in contact with drugs at some point in their lives and some are weak giving in to peer pressure and others have no need for it, some like alcohol and see a few pints once a week as an outlet, we all live our own lives, make our own choices and when under stress can make a poor choice once in a while, strength of character has a lot to do with it and although I have been around plenty of lads that used drugs they were never used by me, I trained everyday until the age of 42 and never needed drugs or stimulants to enhance me.

Charlie pointer as you call him a "wet wipe" is a decent lad that actually cares for all dogs, is an excellent countryman and has 3 successful business's turning over huge amounts of revenue in a year, if you have a problem with him you should address it to him and not me, if you have taken any time to find out about him then you will know he is ex special forces, sniper in the paras and you would be foolish in the extreme to engage or annoy him as I have seen him do a lot of damage in the flesh to people a lot more intimidating than you, he also comes from a very violent family so good luck with that,lol's.

My friends that I associate and hunt with are my business but none of them abuse drugs or alcohol, I mix with lads from time to time that do but certainly not on a regular basis after nearly losing my class 1 and 2 licences years ago, you seem to think you know me by coming out a couple of times with me, my brother warned me you were a bad lot but we took you no where of note and never shown you anything,only 1 earth with cubs that you dropped 3 or 4 holes and still missed the vixen,cutting the heads off 3 day old cubs even though I asked you not to go back and leave it till winter, I told you then I never wanted to go anywhere with you and it was proven to be the right thing to do as you were given a life ban a couple of years later for cruelty to your terriers, it seems you have still not learned how to behave or treat people feeling the need to pick at posts of mine and last year putting up my Facebook and adverts for pups, this was my personal information and you overstepped the mark doing it, grow up and move on, I do not comment on any of your posts and would appreciate you doing the same, Charlie tells me you have nothing in your life but a pushbike, not even anywhere to live of your own, relying on friends and family to stay, I feel sorry for you if thats how its ended up and if you stopped trying to blame everyone else for the mess you're in and get on with your life then you may be able to stop sneaking around in the shadows and enjoy life, WM

any chance of getting Charlie's bank details as well plz

[MIK 4,763]

My biggest influence showed me a different viewpoint to the way that I looked at it. That it's not always black and white with terrierwork and that its as much to do with the bond between you and the dog as too how far and how much success you can get from the dog. Also not to be too hasty with a dog and give it plenty of time to mature and progress before making any rash decisions. Lads that put a dog down at the first opportunity don't impress me and rarely have anything of note in their kennels.

Totally agree with that first line ...it's not always black and white and that also refers to lurcher work and very much so the bond you have with your stock ...my dogs I am their whole world and they would jump through fire for me and I have gotten that bond and trust with the way I have brought them up and that is why I never take on an older dog ...I have in the past and just haven't had the bond and have felt I haven't gotten the very best out of them .

I have met some good lads over the years and have also met some lads that I don't have time for ....

I like to see a good hounds man who has a good bond with his hounds ...there's not a truer word than ...there are dogmen and men with dogs

[marshman 7,758]

Learning all the time me started with my father to my mate that died whilst digging , had a ratch about in the week with my 12 year old nephew and learnt something new of him lol.

Dogs I think I've got a good handle on terrier men or just men leave me scratching my head .

[pablo esc 1,598]

A man df , about 30 years ago ,went out with him a bit and saw him dig to his dogs , strong fit lad, consistant and when on to be even better terrierman . went out with a few in ireland one day who were first class too, and fair .

[steve t 949]

The lad i dig with is a proper terrierman in my eyes, I feel privileged to dig with him and to know him, I wont bore you all with details but I'm sure those that know him will agree, and I hope he doesn't read this, lol.

[Guest Snitch99]

 

Wirralman do you know any none druggy dog men on wirral?

Apart from charlie pointer hes not really a man more of wet wipe. He doesnt count. Lol

 

Unfortunately the lad in question could not cope with divorce, he was totally anti-smoking,anti-drugs until his 40's, started drinking Stella and his brother got him started with cocaine and the rest was history, went from a lad that needed nothing except his dogs to a huge mess and no amount of trying to help him made any difference, he had a black curly coated patter dale bitch that I think came off Brightmore stuff, the only terrier I ever seen kill badger on a regular basis and probably one of the best terriers I ever had the pleasure of digging to, she got a few stuck and lost terriers out the shit when she was called upon to do so, I miss his company as most of the lads I take out these days do not have the depth of knowledge we acquired over 30 yrs of digging, the biggest shame for me is he has no memory of all those years of dog work, he took every photo,video and item of clothing associated with the countryside and set fire to the lot in his front garden after a massive row, some really good close up and personal pics, living on the edge of a "Metroplolis" brings most in contact with drugs at some point in their lives and some are weak giving in to peer pressure and others have no need for it, some like alcohol and see a few pints once a week as an outlet, we all live our own lives, make our own choices and when under stress can make a poor choice once in a while, strength of character has a lot to do with it and although I have been around plenty of lads that used drugs they were never used by me, I trained everyday until the age of 42 and never needed drugs or stimulants to enhance me.

Charlie pointer as you call him a "wet wipe" is a decent lad that actually cares for all dogs, is an excellent countryman and has 3 successful business's turning over huge amounts of revenue in a year, if you have a problem with him you should address it to him and not me, if you have taken any time to find out about him then you will know he is ex special forces, sniper in the paras and you would be foolish in the extreme to engage or annoy him as I have seen him do a lot of damage in the flesh to people a lot more intimidating than you, he also comes from a very violent family so good luck with that,lol's.

My friends that I associate and hunt with are my business but none of them abuse drugs or alcohol, I mix with lads from time to time that do but certainly not on a regular basis after nearly losing my class 1 and 2 licences years ago, you seem to think you know me by coming out a couple of times with me, my brother warned me you were a bad lot but we took you no where of note and never shown you anything,only 1 earth with cubs that you dropped 3 or 4 holes and still missed the vixen,cutting the heads off 3 day old cubs even though I asked you not to go back and leave it till winter, I told you then I never wanted to go anywhere with you and it was proven to be the right thing to do as you were given a life ban a couple of years later for cruelty to your terriers, it seems you have still not learned how to behave or treat people feeling the need to pick at posts of mine and last year putting up my Facebook and adverts for pups, this was my personal information and you overstepped the mark doing it, grow up and move on, I do not comment on any of your posts and would appreciate you doing the same, Charlie tells me you have nothing in your life but a pushbike, not even anywhere to live of your own, relying on friends and family to stay, I feel sorry for you if thats how its ended up and if you stopped trying to blame everyone else for the mess you're in and get on with your life then you may be able to stop sneaking around in the shadows and enjoy life, WM

You sound like a child bud.

Life storys of wealth other peoples? What you on about?

Ex marine millionares. Estates in cheshire????. Jesus christ how old are you?..

Pull that hook out your fat cheek now. You bit like a the 18year old.

 

 

Honestly lol.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Snitch99

[downsouth 7,379]

Can't say anybody has really had an influence or an impact on me regarding terriers when I was growing up in fact most of the older fellas from my area when I was a youth were f**king useless regarding dogs in general.The bloke I got my first terriers from had some very good dogs that were very well bred but that was more testiment as to how good the dogs really were rather than his ability as a dog man. Over the years I've also met a fair few of the so called big names of the game and more often than not was unimpressed and sometimes quite disappointed.

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

I agree with that last bit . I've been quite disappointed with some people I've met but on the other hand I've been impressed by people that I didn't think I would be. So it's swings and roundabouts.

[Plucky1 1,119]

, WM

Edited October 10, 2016 by Plucky1

[fat man 4,741]

Plucky can i ask what were live foxs used for as in the 1st part of your post you say you were taught to dispatch quickly without any cruelty involved and at the end of the same post you are tapeing them up taking them alive.

[neil cooney 10,416]

In an ideal world I'd love to think I've learned a little bit from most men I dug with over the years. Some were mediocre ,as were their terrier, but they might have been good hunters.

I first was aware of terrier work when very young because of stories of badger digging from my father from when he was young.

But it got serious for me at aged 15 when I started to work terriers with a man who took it serious.

He's still alive and only keeps horses and gundogs now. But when J.R. was at it he took it serious.

By todays standards he'd be considered old fashioned as a strongdog or two were as important on a dig as the MK 1 bleeper or a good bar.

But even though strongdogs were used I never seen anything other than sportsmanship shown.

Jimmy wouldn't show a strongdog a fox. That's not sport, he'd say.

He had his own line of very inbred Jack Russell too, and they were good. He proved to me that to keep a line going they must be crossed back into themselves and that it doesn't necessarily means weakness etc. He proved that to me.

Sadly dog thieves sickened him of the game. Especially after a bitch with her 1 week old pups were stolen.

Also in the 5 or so years I dug with him (a season was July 'til March) I never seen any game killed but relocated. I remember on a couple of occasions running out of sacks. We'd stick them in a trailer or shed and come back for them. I was still a teenager and that's how it was done.

I was probably digging for 7 or 8 years before I seen lurchers present on a dig too.

Jimmy drove a green Datsun van back then (he crashed it a couple of times because when he was driving he would be looking across the hedge and not at the road) and always had his .22 Magnum rifle across the dash board. If he went into the pub, the shop or anywhere the rifle was left there.

He was a poacher too.

I realise a .22 Magnum is good for nothing but in those days there was still trouble in the North and the Magnum was one of the biggest rifles ye could get in Ireland.

But Jimmy's sportsmanship was measured up one day to me when we were going down a small backroad ( a Borreen) and I seen a big fox cub in field. I shouted at Jimmy to stop ,which he did.

I let a few squeaks out and the cub came over to us. I grabbed the rifle to shoot it.

Jimmy took the rifle off me and asked what I was going to do ?

I said "Shoot it" and he replied "For what ?".

I'd like to think that's how I still hunt.

[WEDGEY 755]

In an ideal world I'd love to think I've learned a little bit from most men I dug with over the years. Some were mediocre ,as were their terrier, but they might have been good hunters.

I first was aware of terrier work when very young because of stories of badger digging from my father from when he was young.

But it got serious for me at aged 15 when I started to work terriers with a man who took it serious.

He's still alive and only keeps horses and gundogs now. But when J.R. was at it he took it serious.

By todays standards he'd be considered old fashioned as a strongdog or two were as important on a dig as the MK 1 bleeper or a good bar.

But even though strongdogs were used I never seen anything other than sportsmanship shown.

Jimmy wouldn't show a strongdog a fox. That's not sport, he'd say.

He had his own line of very inbred Jack Russell too, and they were good. He proved to me that to keep a line going they must be crossed back into themselves and that it doesn't necessarily means weakness etc. He proved that to me.

Sadly dog thieves sickened him of the game. Especially after a bitch with her 1 week old pups were stolen.

Also in the 5 or so years I dug with him (a season was July 'til March) I never seen any game killed but relocated. I remember on a couple of occasions running out of sacks. We'd stick them in a trailer or shed and come back for them. I was still a teenager and that's how it was done.

I was probably digging for 7 or 8 years before I seen lurchers present on a dig too.

Jimmy drove a green Datsun van back then (he crashed it a couple of times because when he was driving he would be looking across the hedge and not at the road) and always had his .22 Magnum rifle across the dash board. If he went into the pub, the shop or anywhere the rifle was left there.

He was a poacher too.

I realise a .22 Magnum is good for nothing but in those days there was still trouble in the North and the Magnum was one of the biggest rifles ye could get in Ireland.

But Jimmy's sportsmanship was measured up one day to me when we were going down a small backroad ( a Borreen) and I seen a big fox cub in field. I shouted at Jimmy to stop ,which he did.

I let a few squeaks out and the cub came over to us. I grabbed the rifle to shoot it.

Jimmy took the rifle off me and asked what I was going to do ?

I said "Shoot it" and he replied "For what ?".

I'd like to think that's how I still hunt.

not many jimmys about today Neil

[Plucky1 1,119]

Plucky can i ask what were live foxs used for as in the 1st part of your post you say you were taught to dispatch quickly without any cruelty involved and at the end of the same post you are tapeing them up taking them alive.

LOL's, I suppose it reads that way, they were only taped during the extraction to avoid exactly what happened, then they were bagged, the lad we sold them to was letting them go in a hunt area over lincoln way where he had all the top class coursing, they were all kept in sheds and well fed till he picked them up or we dropped them off, there was no cruelty involved as they were simply relocated, everybody happy, they already had that deal when I met them years before and when it ended we despatched as usual, WM

[Apache... 2,588]

Keeping myself to myself 90 per cent of the time when i dig, i do like the odd dig with other terriermen, i have dug with some well known terriermen over the years and some not so well known, on both sides of the pond. We can all have a good dog that we can dig too but its more than that, i try and watch how other dogmen go about there ways and sometimes learn a little from them, and sometimes think WTF, but with experience comes knowledge {for most anyway}. A bigger name does not mean better dogs!!! I eat sleep and breath terriers for as long as i can remember and i am never to old to learn. The most important aspect ive learnt is patience with a dog and respect for your game.

[Plucky1 1,119]

WM

Edited October 11, 2016 by Plucky1