SELYHAM VS PLUMMER

[pockets 0]

:search: Why would you own a Plummer when the great Selyham Terrier needs resurecting,a proven worker and terrier demon?

[TimJ 0]

One thing at a time. The Bedlington project is still going on !

[Stabs 3]

:search: Why would you own a Plummer when the great Selyham Terrier needs resurecting,a proven worker and terrier demon?

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You can't dictate to people what they can and can't own or work. If people want a Plummer then they'll have one. The Sealyham and the Plummer are very different breeds aesthetically. I'll wager there are more working Plummers out there than there are working Sealyhams too.

I'd love to see the Sealyham become popular again and work to the standard it used to. If you read Lucas's books then you'll see a lot of those big badger digs they used to do, they'd have 4 or 5 dogs to ground. The Sealyham used in the ground was really a specialist for the badger and when that sport lost popularity between the wars, then the breed dropped off. There's one or two knocking about though if you know where to look, and I'm guessing you do.

[swanseajack 227]

"One mans meat is another mans poison"

 

What Project ?

 

Each to their own and all that... I work Bedlingtons because I like em, not to prove anything or ressurect a dying breed, If I breed a litter then I do it for myself and interested mates.

 

Good luck to all the nonconformists who stick with their working dogs whatever breed they are

 

As long as they work and it suits you !!!!!!

 

There's to many knockers in the working dog world... :search: it's outside of it you need to worry about... so stick together

[Kane 2]

FEAR...fear would be a good word why people tend to stick to the more commonly worked terriers,patterdale,lakeland,fell,russel.

Fear of putting all that time and effort into a dog and even getting a decent bond with it...just for it to fail.There is a risk with all terriers or working dogs for that matter,however well bred however game the parents are ,that the pup just doesnt make the grade.

It is a great gamble to invest all that time effort and even money into a well know proven type of terrier without even taking greater risks with types that could almost be described as one offs.

I wish Bedlingtons and Sealyhams were around in the working numbers they used to be in but sadly they have gone through IMHO an ireversable decline.

As for the original question from my own experiances only,I wouldnt kennel a plummer the constant noise and kennel fighting is just to much hassle.

[Guest HAWKEYE]

so what is the famous lucas terrier then that Plummer created at the same time as he was destroying JRTS by breeding plummers?

 

are the lucas an attempt at resurecting the sealyham???

[TimJ 0]

"One mans meat is another mans poison"

 

What Project ? 

 

Each to their own and all that... I work Bedlingtons because I like em, not to prove anything or ressurect a dying breed, If I breed a litter then I do it for myself and interested mates.

 

Good luck to all the nonconformists who stick with their working dogs whatever breed they are           

 

As long as they work and it suits you !!!!!!       

 

There's to many knockers in the working dog world...  :search:  it's outside of it you need to worry about... so stick together

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Swanseajack, I found all of your posts about the Bedlington very interesting. I agree with "to each their own"

It is a big challenge to work with a breed that has suffered so. I call it a project because they had to be worked with by given them a dose of Lakeland and such. The same would apply to the sealyham. You can't take nothing and make something. You got to keep adding a little something each time until you come up with something. Keep at it and my hats off to you.

[borderterrier 0]

http://www.sportinglucasterrierassociation...s%20history.htm

 

And this made me chuckle.

 

 

"The Sporting Lucas Terrier is a modern breed with a well-documented history. The breed is named for Major Sir Jocelyn Lucas, MC, KBE, MP, a Baron's son with a keen interest in hunting dogs. After returning from World War I, he began breeding Sealyhams. Concerned about the increasing size of the show-bred Sealyhams, Sir Jocelyn began crossing his hunting Sealys with Norfolk Terriers. With his partner, the Hon. Mrs. Enid Plummer, they carefully developed this small, workmanlike Terrier, designed to work in a pack and push game out of thick cover. Today, the breed is maintained primarily as a working Terrier in Great Britain, where it is used to hunt ground vermin and go to ground when required.

The Sporting Lucas Terrier was recognized by U.K.C. in March, 2002."

 

The only ones i've come across have been expensive show dogs.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong, please.

[TimJ 0]

Now that would be a serious project. LOL

[Stabs 3]

I've seen the pics of them on the CMW stands at various shows and they don't look like an earth dog to me. All the foxes they pose with look like they've been shot and there's not a speck of dust on the terriers. I hope there are some out there but I doubt it. I was under the impression that the dogs that Lucas crossed the Norfolk into were the rabbit dogs. He kept two strains, one for on top and for for below.

[Smudge 0]

Given the way Lucas and others of his time worked their terriers and the fact that Sealyhams [working type] had gone to the wall before "single handed" terrierwork became the norm, how can we be sure these terriers were ever any good.......Anyone know if the the lads up the N.E are still using their Sealyhams for digging............Carreg

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The lad i work with has just gota sealyham pup from a fella who has used them all the time. Its turnin out well to, shapin nice. Theres also a lad in Coundon who i used to go to school with whos Uncle has them for digging.

 

Cheers

 

Smudge

[Smudge 0]

What about cairn terriers.

 

Smudge

[pockets 0]

Given the way Lucas and others of his time worked their terriers and the fact that Sealyhams [working type] had gone to the wall before "single handed" terrierwork became the norm, how can we be sure these terriers were ever any good.......Anyone know if the the lads up the N.E are still using their Sealyhams for digging............Carreg

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The lad i work with has just gota sealyham pup from a fella who has used them all the time. Its turnin out well to, shapin nice. Theres also a lad in Coundon who i used to go to school with whos Uncle has them for digging.

 

Cheers

 

Smudge

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Couldn't get a couple of pic's put up of em Smudge?

[Smudge 0]

I'll see the lad tommorrow. I ask if i can get a couple of pics im not in contact with the lad from coundon anymore though

 

Cheers

 

Smudge

[Bandit 0]

I agree with Swansea Jack there are far too many "KNOCKERS" of each others stuff these days, I think it's down to a pride macho thing. If a blokes dog/strain is no good let him find it out for himself you don't have to tell him. The penny should drop when no-one wants to have a dig with him or breed off his stuff. Polite encouragement is my way! OK soap box lecture over!!!