C.green 3,231 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 It seems the almost perfect answer is relocation, that if done correctly almost always works. However, relocation does not answer the question of why the original hares died out. It is almost certain that the same will happen with the relocated hares. Find the cause of the decline in the original population and fix that. There are many reasons for a decline of hares in an area, mostly I would say it's Silage cutting as it kills the leverets. Unkeepered ground, the decline of the lapwing all contribute to the decline of the hare. That is without the pressures put on them by a man and his dog. TC . One of the biggest causes in my opinion is frecking badgers, I wander far and wide on my travels and the one thing that is clear to me is the more badgers on the land the less hares, I,ve also seen the growth of badger populations decimate areas once rich in hares, leverets are just eaten before they have a chance to stand up, a lot of these shoots though not legal and never talked about still gas badger sets and that's why they are running alive with hares, simples I fail to equate the Badger population with the amount of hares the land holds,some of the most productive coursing land i know was found through terrier work.Badgers put a far bigger dent in the worm and slug population than Hares. I know what your saying Morton some places just seem to hold huge numbers of everything but there's a very large bit of arable ground near me that I've run for years there's no keepers on it no shooters just a few dog men go there. I was chatting to an old boy who used to shoot and have a run when it was keepered years ago he told me there used to be huge numbers of hares and partridge on there but the Badgers and foxes were hit hard snares allways set shooting terrier work the lot.now it's alive with badger fox and roe but next to no rabbits hares or partridge one stubble time we were seeing a dozen or so badgers mooching around the stubble along with the roe I think they definitely have some sort of impact like any wild animal I think control would benefit them and all the other wildlife on the place Quote Link to post
Somewhereyournot 1,117 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 It seems the almost perfect answer is relocation, that if done correctly almost always works. However, relocation does not answer the question of why the original hares died out. It is almost certain that the same will happen with the relocated hares. Find the cause of the decline in the original population and fix that. There are many reasons for a decline of hares in an area, mostly I would say it's Silage cutting as it kills the leverets. Unkeepered ground, the decline of the lapwing all contribute to the decline of the hare. That is without the pressures put on them by a man and his dog. TC . One of the biggest causes in my opinion is frecking badgers, I wander far and wide on my travels and the one thing that is clear to me is the more badgers on the land the less hares, I,ve also seen the growth of badger populations decimate areas once rich in hares, leverets are just eaten before they have a chance to stand up, a lot of these shoots though not legal and never talked about still gas badger sets and that's why they are running alive with hares, simples I fail to equate the Badger population with the amount of hares the land holds,some of the most productive coursing land i know was found through terrier work.Badgers put a far bigger dent in the worm and slug population than Hares.I know what your saying Morton some places just seem to hold huge numbers of everything but there's a very large bit of arable ground near me that I've run for years there's no keepers on it no shooters just a few dog men go there. I was chatting to an old boy who used to shoot and have a run when it was keepered years ago he told me there used to be huge numbers of hares and partridge on there but the Badgers and foxes were hit hard snares allways set shooting terrier work the lot.now it's alive with badger fox and roe but next to no rabbits hares or partridge one stubble time we were seeing a dozen or so badgers mooching around the stubble along with the roe I think they definitely have some sort of impact like any wild animal I think control would benefit them and all the other wildlife on the placetotally agree regards to badgers, some places that used to hold massive rabbit numbers now only hold badgers. Ucking nuisance Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 It seems the almost perfect answer is relocation, that if done correctly almost always works. However, relocation does not answer the question of why the original hares died out. It is almost certain that the same will happen with the relocated hares. Find the cause of the decline in the original population and fix that. There are many reasons for a decline of hares in an area, mostly I would say it's Silage cutting as it kills the leverets. Unkeepered ground, the decline of the lapwing all contribute to the decline of the hare. That is without the pressures put on them by a man and his dog. TC . One of the biggest causes in my opinion is frecking badgers, I wander far and wide on my travels and the one thing that is clear to me is the more badgers on the land the less hares, I,ve also seen the growth of badger populations decimate areas once rich in hares, leverets are just eaten before they have a chance to stand up, a lot of these shoots though not legal and never talked about still gas badger sets and that's why they are running alive with hares, simples I fail to equate the Badger population with the amount of hares the land holds,some of the most productive coursing land i know was found through terrier work.Badgers put a far bigger dent in the worm and slug population than Hares. I know what your saying Morton some places just seem to hold huge numbers of everything but there's a very large bit of arable ground near me that I've run for years there's no keepers on it no shooters just a few dog men go there. I was chatting to an old boy who used to shoot and have a run when it was keepered years ago he told me there used to be huge numbers of hares and partridge on there but the Badgers and foxes were hit hard snares allways set shooting terrier work the lot.now it's alive with badger fox and roe but next to no rabbits hares or partridge one stubble time we were seeing a dozen or so badgers mooching around the stubble along with the roe I think they definitely have some sort of impact like any wild animal I think control would benefit them and all the other wildlife on the place Badgers seem to take the flack away from a possible more culpable target,a fox,to me,would leave a bigger impression in the leveret population,it ranges further and is better equipped to deal with a fleeter prey species,stoats,weasels and feather,especially hooked bills are often managed on hunting estates and play a significant part in the hares early demise.Its a certain fact that Badgers impact on any ground breeding species,im of the opinion that their impact plays no significant part in their overall numbers and the hare population as always managed to survive natural predation and hold its numbers.When the population starts to fail there is always a factor that is not predation orientated. 2 Quote Link to post
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