Hare Shoots On Estates.

[low plains drifter 10,619]

Absolute rubbish about only shooting surplus hares, a gun cannot know if the hare shot is strong or weak, a shotgun doesn't discriminate, also hares are mostly picked up with broken limbs or internal bleeding, an estate we used to run in Lincolnshire had over 2500 hares on it before the ban, the last hare count in 2014 was 147, the land owner has now kicked off all the guns as they were shooting hares and dumping them in a ditch against his wishes.

If labour win the next election then there will be no shooting whatsoever.

Well that is one type of shooting that won't be missed, lack of understanding of the flora and fauna certainly is'nt limited to the hammerheads driving the land lobbing dogs out of windows Edited October 4, 2016 by low plains drifter

[Qbgrey 4,097]

The last hare I saw near me was ten yr ago,even twenty yrs ago if and it was abig if the guns on a pheassnt shoot put one up it was known by all to leave it.i couldn't kill one wit a Gun they seem so rare to me .and mass killings only to dump em is what paying toffs do.thatz not a countryside person .

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Here we go again.

 

Most of this thread is utter rubbish.

 

I don`t shoot hares, thats the dogs job but the hare shoots are pest control

If they shoot a thousand, it`s because there is a thousand needing shot. Nothing to do with the ban at all, they have been shooting huge numbers for centuries.

 

This really is just sour grapes and because it`s distasteful. The hares are on their estates so it`s up to them to shoot them.

 

And no, they don`t do it to keep lurcher men off ffs,

[zigzag dan 784]

So if they don't do it to keep lurcher men off ,why take out such big numbers ? Cull a number yes , but to slaughter thousands in a day ,,,,,,,,,,,only two reasons for that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,firstly ,money ,secondly , ego boosting !

[TOMO 26,282]

I would go along with SOME of that rake,,,whilst I would always prefer to run a hare when it was legal,,,I've never had a problem with shooting them,,,the estate owners can do what they want it's there land,,and some guns obviously get pleasure shooting them...

 

Now some big estates have hare days purely for the money,,we all know the Italians pay for the pleasure ,,,

 

But some do it to keep the numbers down and keep the dog lads away,,I know this cos I've been there and got the t shirt,,especially out east on the smaller syndicate shoots,,,,,,they can also use it as beaters day...so it does happen

[Born Hunter 17,780]

I would go along with SOME of that rake,,,whilst I would always prefer to run a hare when it was legal,,,I've never had a problem with shooting them,,,the estate owners can do what they want it's there land,,and some guns obviously get pleasure shooting them...

 

Now some big estates have hare days purely for the money,,we all know the Italians pay for the pleasure ,,,

 

But some do it to keep the numbers down and keep the dog lads away,,I know this cos I've been there and got the t shirt,,especially out east on the smaller syndicate shoots,,,,,,they can also use it as beaters day...so it does happen

 

Tomo, that's a level headed view. I think some people need to drop their natural bias and have a proper look at the countryside and hare ecology.

[desertbred 5,490]

Its ok for the eatate land /owners to shoot large numbers of hares "because its their land to do as they want" What about land/estate owners that would allow hunting with dogs is it not their land to do as they want the answer is no because a "Hunting with dogs Act was introduced supported by big business corporations and cash rich shoots who historically have always preferred by large to keep dogs and ordinary hunting lads off the land to enhance their bank accounts by raking money from the shoots. The biased and ill conceived Hunting Act is their to protect the rights of a few whilst depriving others of centuries old country activities. The excuses offered that shooting is more animal friendly than other forms of hunting betrays the conservation argument by the large numbers of hares slaughtered by hare shoots. How are Rabbits classed as vermin and open to hunting with dogs when hares are not but its ok to drive them with dogs to guns. The same argument for foxes. It appears to be a case of dont do as we do but do as we say.

Edited October 5, 2016 by desertbred

[delswal 3,819]

There is a local estate up here who have a hare drive every year, and every year they shoot approximately 500 hares. The hare population around here is massive, so if the hare drive did not take place annually what would the numbers be? And what would the land sustain the large number of hares?

 

I've been invited on numerous occasions to these drives but have never taken the offer up, not that I think its wrong its just not my thing.

 

There is hardly a field around here excluding the estates here to walk during the day without putting up 2 - 3 or hares, I think what I am trying to say is in some circumstances these drives are essential to control the numbers, but the downside is the guns are not selecting which hares to shoot for the purpose of the fittest and strongest to be left. Morally I think its shameful to waste the meat, but then again I will leave the morals to the man who shoots them, I have enough problems wrestling with my own morals without having to worry about anybody else's.

[Lab 10,979]

Anyone wanting a ban on any hunting pursuit should hang there heads in shame. If you've got a dog, give it away.....a gun then hand it in...a fishing rod then throw it in the bin. Shocking statements from some.

[Saluki71 110]

That meeting was 2 years ago, one of the reasons I stopped was they only ever discussed fox hunting and I felt they didn't care less about the coursing and lurcher lads

But I will tell you that if it hadn't been for the C.A we would still be coursing and hunting without fear of being arrested or harassed, all they had to do was agree to hunting being licensed and they couldn't even do that.

[delswal 3,819]

Anyone wanting a ban on any hunting pursuit should hang there heads in shame. If you've got a dog, give it away.....a gun then hand it in...a fishing rod then throw it in the bin. Shocking statements from some.

Blunt but true, we might all disagree from time to time, but we all have the same blood on our hands and p1ss in the same pot. Don't knock another mans form of hunting, you might just need the same mans support one day for yours

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

Anyone wanting a ban on any hunting pursuit should hang there heads in shame. If you've got a dog, give it away.....a gun then hand it in...a fishing rod then throw it in the bin. Shocking statements from some.

Blunt but true, we might all disagree from time to time, but we all have the same blood on our hands and p1ss in the same pot. Don't knock another mans form of hunting, you might just need the same mans support one day for yours

Spot on mate. The fact you might not like another mans pastime, infact you might hate it with a passion still does not give you the right to take it away from them. To put a name on it your basically an anti.

[delswal 3,819]

Honestly ' how many out and out shooters gave a fook for the Coursing / Lurcher man ??????

 

I'm all for shooting

 

Just not the shooting of Hares ' and definatley not en mass re Hare drives.

Plenty do Max, I am an out and out shooting man who has always owned lurchers and terriers and so have the vast majority of the men I know who shoot, ok you will get the hooray henrys who only ever shoot come pheasant season and put the guns away end of season. Now they are the type to fcuk the dogging lads off not your everyday shooter, but making comments like you did above does nothing but start to divide the everyday shooters and dogging lads apart. Stick together or lose it all together theres no in between

[neil cooney 10,416]

Personally I don't think the coursing mans hatred of hare shooting is a hatred of shooting. It's respect for the hare, which IMO is understandable.

You rear a well bred pup, feed it the best, keep it healthy and when the time comes walk the legs of yourself to get it as fit as possible only to watch a small brown animal make it look foolish, LOL.

But it's the truth.

To a shooting man, and I'm one, the hare is a large slow (by shooting standards) target so any shooting man who thinks he's a marksman by shooting hares is fooling himself.

If a job needs doing so be it but some methods deserve to be called a sport more than others.

[Born Hunter 17,780]

 

Honestly ' how many out and out shooters gave a fook for the Coursing / Lurcher man ??????

 

I'm all for shooting

 

Just not the shooting of Hares ' and definatley not en mass re Hare drives.

Plenty do Max, I am an out and out shooting man who has always owned lurchers and terriers and so have the vast majority of the men I know who shoot, ok you will get the hooray henrys who only ever shoot come pheasant season and put the guns away end of season. Now they are the type to fcuk the dogging lads off not your everyday shooter, but making comments like you did above does nothing but start to divide the everyday shooters and dogging lads apart. Stick together or lose it all together theres no in between

 

 

I don't think any shooting men really campaigned in favour of banning legal lurcher work though. Whereas many lurcher men would actively support banning hare shooting. Although I don't forgive it, negligent and divisive attitudes from the shooting community towards the lurcher community (and vise versa!) is understandable when many have no interest in the others chosen sport and their only contact with them is one of often abusive conflict. That however is very different from actively trying to ban the others sport. That is abhorrent!

 

Hare shooting goes on for more than one reason, for some, a minority of landowners, it will be about keeping vandals in 4x4s off. For others it is simply population management and a means of giving those that enjoy it a bit of additional sport, often local lads that fill the beating line and enjoy the opportunity to get the gun out. And finally for some it is part of making the land profitable. Ban it and those than need to kill hares will just do it with a 222 on the lamp. For the vast majority of cases it has f**k all to do with dog men or the ban, never has.

 

As you say, we should stick together for all our sakes, but that'll never happen. Easy for folks like us to say because we enjoy a full-ish spectrum of sport. Those that are focused on only a small part of it don't give a f**k about the other half.