DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 6,000 years of dong what they were bred to do , what in your opinion are they lacking? 5,950 years of hunting in an environment that takes them out of their comfort zone. The first salukis came here in the 1800,s so they have done pretty well for ducks out of the desert. dont forget all the good running dogs greyhounds , salukis etc originate historically in the Middle East what would you lads have been coursing without them ?Men originated in Africa, what would you lads be doing and they not settled in the Middle East? 6,000 years of dong what they were bred to do , what in your opinion are they lacking? 5,950 years of hunting in an environment that takes them out of their comfort zone. The first salukis came here in the 1800,s so they have done pretty well for ducks out of the desert. dont forget all the good running dogs greyhounds , salukis etc originate historically in the Middle East what would you lads have been coursing without them ?Men originated in Africa, what would you lads be doing and they not settled in the Middle East? Did they have salukis Well they didn't just appear out of nowhere so yes the Africans likely did have dogs very similar to the Saluki. Struggle a bit on the Lions Elephants and Rhinos I suppose They must have had them Basenji alsoSo you believe the dogs just appeared out of nowhere in the Middle East??? Asian wolf Likely yes so no the Saluki didn't just appear from nowhere in the Middle East. 1 Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 So if they aren't as good at catching the hare as some dogs what ingredients are they lacking......if the real dedicated coursing lads had just ran pures and bred best to best ect you would end up at the same place just it would take ages imo So obviously the pure Saluki was lacking something for their needs. Quote Link to post
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 S ALUKI genetics show different strings from other dogs and wolves so its not clear cant remember the string but some dogs have 2 or 3 and salukis have 29 so something missing in something. 1 Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 S ALUKI genetics show different strings from other dogs and wolves so its not clear cant remember the string but some dogs have 2 or 3 and salukis have 29 so something missing in something. What are you actually trying to say here? We have certainly improved the dogs through selective breeding. For such a little island we do know a thing or two about dogs. Quote Link to post
Gilbey 1,434 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 So if they aren't as good at catching the hare as some dogs what ingredients are they lacking......if the real dedicated coursing lads had just ran pures and bred best to best ect you would end up at the same place just it would take ages imo So obviously the pure Saluki was lacking something for their needs. someone's already said earlier from a different place, if coursing lads could of got pups off the toffs things "might" of been different. Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 So if they aren't as good at catching the hare as some dogs what ingredients are they lacking......if the real dedicated coursing lads had just ran pures and bred best to best ect you would end up at the same place just it would take ages imoSo obviously the pure Saluki was lacking something for their needs.someone's already said earlier from a different place, if coursing lads could of got pups off the toffs things "might" of been different. How different...... Quote Link to post
Gilbey 1,434 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 How longs a piece off string... Quote Link to post
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I am saying most of your suppositions are wrong. Arabia Iran Syria etc are part of the Asian sub continent as shown clearly on geological maps. The DNA string Alpha Amylase 2b shows up only two times in the Asian Wolf and 3 or4 times in about 6 other breeds yet it appears 29 times in the pure saluki so you want to research a bit more it was a research paper carried out by Durham University. The DNA string shows that the Saluki originates from the fertile crescent of the middle east where agriculture was first developed so probably they dont originate from Africa Edited January 1, 2017 by desertbred 1 Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 How longs a piece off string... Exactly, the facts are that the dogs perfected over here are better than the Saluki at Hare catching. Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I am saying most of your suppositions are wrong. Arabia Iran Syria etc are part of the Asian sub continent as shown clearly on geological maps. The DNA string Alpha Amylase 2b shows up only two times in the Asian Wolf and 3 or4 times in about 6 other breeds yet it appears 29 times in the pure saluki so you want to research a bit more it was a research paper carried out by Durham University. The DNA string shows that the Saluki originates from the fertile crescent of the middle east where agriculture was first developed so probably they dont originate from AfricaAnd yours is wrong as well...... I read that the dog likley originated in Europe over 18,000 year ago. What would you boys have done without us hey. ? Edited January 1, 2017 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 How longs a piece off string... Exactly, the facts are that the dogs perfected over here are better than the Saluki at Hare catching. No such thing as the perfect dog otherwise they would never miss you are just arguing for the sake of it. 1 Quote Link to post
Gilbey 1,434 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) How longs a piece off string...Exactly, the facts are that the dogs perfected over here are better than the Saluki at Hare catching.I'm not db I didn't say that, saluki lurchers are better, I'm saying if salukis were available years ago they'd prob be alot better than they are now, just the odd ones were bred off Edited January 2, 2017 by Gilbey Quote Link to post
desertbred 5,490 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I am saying most of your suppositions are wrong. Arabia Iran Syria etc are part of the Asian sub continent as shown clearly on geological maps. The DNA string Alpha Amylase 2b shows up only two times in the Asian Wolf and 3 or4 times in about 6 other breeds yet it appears 29 times in the pure saluki so you want to research a bit more it was a research paper carried out by Durham University. The DNA string shows that the Saluki originates from the fertile crescent of the middle east where agriculture was first developed so probably they dont originate from AfricaAnd yours is wrong as well...... I read that the dog likley originated in Europe over 18,000 year ago. What would you boys have done without us hey. Show the evidence of your claim the earliest recorded dogs are from Europe lol even rabbits were brought to UK by the Romans LOL Edited January 1, 2017 by desertbred Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 I am saying most of your suppositions are wrong. Arabia Iran Syria etc are part of the Asian sub continent as shown clearly on geological maps. The DNA string Alpha Amylase 2b shows up only two times in the Asian Wolf and 3 or4 times in about 6 other breeds yet it appears 29 times in the pure saluki so you want to research a bit more it was a research paper carried out by Durham University. The DNA string shows that the Saluki originates from the fertile crescent of the middle east where agriculture was first developed so probably they dont originate from AfricaAnd yours is wrong as well...... I read that the dog likley originated in Europe over 18,000 year ago. What would you boys have done without us hey. Show the evidence of your claim the earliest recoreded dogs are from Europe lol even rabbits were brought to UK by the Romans LOL https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/dogs-likely-originated-in-europe-249325&ved=0ahUKEwj6x5TC-6HRAhWkDsAKHcthAloQFghGMAs&usg=AFQjCNEdXuMkvVb4u_WQjF5x9ev0FBpa9Q https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/amp.livescience.com/41221-dog-domestication-origins-in-europe.html&ved=0ahUKEwj6x5TC-6HRAhWkDsAKHcthAloQFghJMAw&usg=AFQjCNHGBNWLhWQyz6vKAXz656A8vf5DYg https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=/amp/news.nationalpost.com/life/dogs-originated-from-wolves-domesticated-in-europe-19000-32000-years-ago-researchers/amp&ved=0ahUKEwj6x5TC-6HRAhWkDsAKHcthAloQFghOMA0&usg=AFQjCNGklGUwEbch9kvzMhgPtOJpB0Xw6w That enough for you...... ? Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 How longs a piece off string...Exactly, the facts are that the dogs perfected over here are better than the Saluki at Hare catching. No such thing as the perfect dog otherwise they would never miss you are just arguing for the sake of it. Can we just agree that the coursing bred dogs are closer to perfection than their middle eastern cousins????? Quote Link to post
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