Working Staffords

[BGD 6,436]

Staffords were still being bred and used for their original purpose as little as 30 years ago....

[king 11,984]

 

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

there used to be few good old staff lines in the black country, few years back tug the 1x staff x grey came from them lines and he was a brill dog a few lads seen him work . But most now are just show stuff . and with the price of staffs today , so alot of show stuff being bred , but people who want proper performance bred bull terrier, will look else where, and always have done , as you say use the best tool for the job .

Tbh Bird the Staff has always been a show dog right from the start. That's not to say that they haven't worked over the years.

Got to disagree with you there.http://www.thestaffordshirebullterrier.co.uk/history.htm

Honestly mate do a little research, the APBT is the original English Pit Dog. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the English version of the American Staffordshire Terrier, both are offshoots from the APBT, both were created for their appearance....

Maybe they were created later on for appearance.

But at the begining the staffordshire bull terrier didnt look like todays dogs. they had plenty of leg on them and were bred for a job.

Untill the kennel club fecked them up.

An old fella and great friend who is no longer with us.

Had good success in london and the midlands with old type staffs.

Against apbt. in the 80s.

The right line of staffs could hold there own.against the apbt

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

there used to be few good old staff lines in the black country, few years back tug the 1x staff x grey came from them lines and he was a brill dog a few lads seen him work . But most now are just show stuff . and with the price of staffs today , so alot of show stuff being bred , but people who want proper performance bred bull terrier, will look else where, and always have done , as you say use the best tool for the job .

Tbh Bird the Staff has always been a show dog right from the start. That's not to say that they haven't worked over the years.

Got to disagree with you there.http://www.thestaffordshirebullterrier.co.uk/history.htm

Honestly mate do a little research, the APBT is the original English Pit Dog. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the English version of the American Staffordshire Terrier, both are offshoots from the APBT, both were created for their appearance....

Maybe they were created later on for appearance.

But at the begining the staffordshire bull terrier didnt look like todays dogs. they had plenty of leg on them and were bred for a job.

Untill the kennel club fecked them up.

An old fella and great friend who is no longer with us.

Had good success in london and the midlands with old type staffs.

Against apbt. in the 80s.

The right line of staffs could hold there own.against the apbt

The right line? What line is that? I'm sure that some folk over here kept working dogs away from all the KC stuff but that dog is basically exactly the same as the APBT. Folk used Staffs because they had nothing better to play with, things changed when the APBT came back to it's homeland.

[king 11,984]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

there used to be few good old staff lines in the black country, few years back tug the 1x staff x grey came from them lines and he was a brill dog a few lads seen him work . But most now are just show stuff . and with the price of staffs today , so alot of show stuff being bred , but people who want proper performance bred bull terrier, will look else where, and always have done , as you say use the best tool for the job .

Tbh Bird the Staff has always been a show dog right from the start. That's not to say that they haven't worked over the years.

Got to disagree with you there.http://www.thestaffordshirebullterrier.co.uk/history.htm

Honestly mate do a little research, the APBT is the original English Pit Dog. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the English version of the American Staffordshire Terrier, both are offshoots from the APBT, both were created for their appearance....

Maybe they were created later on for appearance.

But at the begining the staffordshire bull terrier didnt look like todays dogs. they had plenty of leg on them and were bred for a job.

Untill the kennel club fecked them up.

An old fella and great friend who is no longer with us.

Had good success in london and the midlands with old type staffs.

Against apbt. in the 80s.

The right line of staffs could hold there own.against the apbt

The right line? What line is that? I'm sure that some folk over here kept working dogs away from all the KC stuff but that dog is basically exactly the same as the APBT. Folk used Staffs because they had nothing better to play with, things changed when the APBT came back to it's homeland.

The line that worked all them years ago and was kept for a purpose.

When the staff was recognised by the kennel club.

Some old timers didnt agree with it and kept the dogs true to there intended purpose.

[South hams hunter 8,926]

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

what would be a better end hole dog that a gamey staff?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

there used to be few good old staff lines in the black country, few years back tug the 1x staff x grey came from them lines and he was a brill dog a few lads seen him work . But most now are just show stuff . and with the price of staffs today , so alot of show stuff being bred , but people who want proper performance bred bull terrier, will look else where, and always have done , as you say use the best tool for the job .

Tbh Bird the Staff has always been a show dog right from the start. That's not to say that they haven't worked over the years.

Got to disagree with you there.http://www.thestaffordshirebullterrier.co.uk/history.htm

Honestly mate do a little research, the APBT is the original English Pit Dog. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the English version of the American Staffordshire Terrier, both are offshoots from the APBT, both were created for their appearance....

Maybe they were created later on for appearance.

But at the begining the staffordshire bull terrier didnt look like todays dogs. they had plenty of leg on them and were bred for a job.

Untill the kennel club fecked them up.

An old fella and great friend who is no longer with us.

Had good success in london and the midlands with old type staffs.

Against apbt. in the 80s.

The right line of staffs could hold there own.against the apbt

The right line? What line is that? I'm sure that some folk over here kept working dogs away from all the KC stuff but that dog is basically exactly the same as the APBT. Folk used Staffs because they had nothing better to play with, things changed when the APBT came back to it's homeland.

The line that worked all them years ago and was kept for a purpose.

When the staff was recognised by the kennel club.

Some old timers didnt agree with it and kept the dogs true to there intended purpose.

But let's be honest these old-timers dogs were a step behind their American cousin's and this is coming from men who owned good Staffs.

[king 11,984]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

there used to be few good old staff lines in the black country, few years back tug the 1x staff x grey came from them lines and he was a brill dog a few lads seen him work . But most now are just show stuff . and with the price of staffs today , so alot of show stuff being bred , but people who want proper performance bred bull terrier, will look else where, and always have done , as you say use the best tool for the job .

Tbh Bird the Staff has always been a show dog right from the start. That's not to say that they haven't worked over the years.

Got to disagree with you there.http://www.thestaffordshirebullterrier.co.uk/history.htm

Honestly mate do a little research, the APBT is the original English Pit Dog. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the English version of the American Staffordshire Terrier, both are offshoots from the APBT, both were created for their appearance....

Maybe they were created later on for appearance.

But at the begining the staffordshire bull terrier didnt look like todays dogs. they had plenty of leg on them and were bred for a job.

Untill the kennel club fecked them up.

An old fella and great friend who is no longer with us.

Had good success in london and the midlands with old type staffs.

Against apbt. in the 80s.

The right line of staffs could hold there own.against the apbt

The right line? What line is that? I'm sure that some folk over here kept working dogs away from all the KC stuff but that dog is basically exactly the same as the APBT. Folk used Staffs because they had nothing better to play with, things changed when the APBT came back to it's homeland.

The line that worked all them years ago and was kept for a purpose.

When the staff was recognised by the kennel club.

Some old timers didnt agree with it and kept the dogs true to there intended purpose.

But let's be honest these old-timers dogs were a step behind their American cousin's and this is coming from men who owned good Staffs.

Who took the bull and terriers.and bullterriers to the usa.

Where the apbt was in effect created.

Look what the americans did with our bulldog.

Made a leggy athletic dog.

The americans bred a different type of dog.

Both the bulldog and apbt.

And hats off to them.

Edited September 15, 2016 by king

[C.green 3,231]

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

I'd agree with this somewhat if you want a dog to put game in the bag or whatever then there's others out there that are better. obviously I'm not saying everyone drop your lurchers off at the dog pound and buy a staff my mates got lurchers Aswell but if you've a staff or any breed for that matter why not get it out in the field ? Look at fujis pom to see a wee dog like that out with lurchers puts a smile on my face everytime.

 

Btw the talk of hole ending etc those days are long gone around here trail cams on earths ect I can honestly say I wouldn't let a dog into quarry wich didn't have a chance to get away whether that's a rabbit in a net a panicked deer against a fence or a fox on a dig ?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

there used to be few good old staff lines in the black country, few years back tug the 1x staff x grey came from them lines and he was a brill dog a few lads seen him work . But most now are just show stuff . and with the price of staffs today , so alot of show stuff being bred , but people who want proper performance bred bull terrier, will look else where, and always have done , as you say use the best tool for the job .

Tbh Bird the Staff has always been a show dog right from the start. That's not to say that they haven't worked over the years.

Got to disagree with you there.http://www.thestaffordshirebullterrier.co.uk/history.htm

Honestly mate do a little research, the APBT is the original English Pit Dog. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the English version of the American Staffordshire Terrier, both are offshoots from the APBT, both were created for their appearance....

Maybe they were created later on for appearance.

But at the begining the staffordshire bull terrier didnt look like todays dogs. they had plenty of leg on them and were bred for a job.

Untill the kennel club fecked them up.

An old fella and great friend who is no longer with us.

Had good success in london and the midlands with old type staffs.

Against apbt. in the 80s.

The right line of staffs could hold there own.against the apbt

The right line? What line is that? I'm sure that some folk over here kept working dogs away from all the KC stuff but that dog is basically exactly the same as the APBT. Folk used Staffs because they had nothing better to play with, things changed when the APBT came back to it's homeland.

The line that worked all them years ago and was kept for a purpose.

When the staff was recognised by the kennel club.

Some old timers didnt agree with it and kept the dogs true to there intended purpose.

But let's be honest these old-timers dogs were a step behind their American cousin's and this is coming from men who owned good Staffs.

Who took the bull and terriers.and bullterriers to the usa.

Where the apbt was in effect created.

Look what the americans did with our bulldog.

Made a leggy athletic dog.

The americans bred a different type of dog.

Both the bulldog and apbt.

And hats off to them.

With all due respect mate the best of Staffs over here were about on par with a poor to average APBT, this is coming off the man who owned one of the UK's Staff's.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

what would be a better end hole dog that a gamey staff?

Is this a joke?

[South hams hunter 8,926]

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

what would be a better end hole dog that a gamey staff?

Is this a joke?

why would it be? I'm not saying here and now am I, I was referring to gnashers post where he said there is better so I gave an example of when a good staff would be a useful dog

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

what would be a better end hole dog that a gamey staff?

Is this a joke?

why would it be? I'm not saying here and now am I, I was referring to gnashers post where he said there is better so I gave an example of when a good staff would be a useful dog

I just thought you were maybe being sarcastic and I missed it that was all. No worries fella.

[gnasher16 30,280]

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

I'd agree with this somewhat if you want a dog to put game in the bag or whatever then there's others out there that are better. obviously I'm not saying everyone drop your lurchers off at the dog pound and buy a staff my mates got lurchers Aswell but if you've a staff or any breed for that matter why not get it out in the field ? Look at fujis pom to see a wee dog like that out with lurchers puts a smile on my face everytime.

 

Btw the talk of hole ending etc those days are long gone around here trail cams on earths ect I can honestly say I wouldn't let a dog into quarry wich didn't have a chance to get away whether that's a rabbit in a net a panicked deer against a fence or a fox on a dig

 

So should any dog that " gets out and about " be described as a working breed ?......i totally understand the desire to get a dog out in the fresh air and encourage them to do a bit but my point is that serious working dog men require serious working dogs......and im yet to understand what a Stafford can do that another purpose bred dog cant do better......hence to me they are a compromise in anything other than a pet dog capacity.

[mushroom 13,200]

That staffy of mine beat purpose bred gundogs in scurries several times

 

As a busher she easily held her own against terriers etc. She had a nose like a bloodhound

[C.green 3,231]

 

 

 

Not to throw shit at the dartboard but ive never really understood this whole working Stafford thing myself......i mean why ?.....surely anybody seriously into working dogs wants the most efficient tool for the job and i really dont know what it is as a breed they do better than any other breed......to me its like sending a Doberman around a race track....why when you have Greyhounds for that.

I'd agree with this somewhat if you want a dog to put game in the bag or whatever then there's others out there that are better. obviously I'm not saying everyone drop your lurchers off at the dog pound and buy a staff my mates got lurchers Aswell but if you've a staff or any breed for that matter why not get it out in the field ? Look at fujis pom to see a wee dog like that out with lurchers puts a smile on my face everytime.

 

Btw the talk of hole ending etc those days are long gone around here trail cams on earths ect I can honestly say I wouldn't let a dog into quarry wich didn't have a chance to get away whether that's a rabbit in a net a panicked deer against a fence or a fox on a dig

So should any dog that " gets out and about " be described as a working breed ?......i totally understand the desire to get a dog out in the fresh air and encourage them to do a bit but my point is that serious working dog men require serious working dogs......and im yet to understand what a Stafford can do that another purpose bred dog cant do better......hence to me they are a compromise in anything other than a pet dog capacity.

I don't disagree with you mate I'd never own a staff never liked them me mates already said he won't be replacing his and like you say anyone with a serious attitude to there hunting/working dogs could chose something abit more suited to the job working staffs may be the wrong title maybe staffs working would be better. There are a few out there tho that would raise a few eyebrows with the versatility and grit they show in every task asked of them. Don't want to go into it to much here but I've seen 2 staffs do something that would be a big ask of any dog and certainly left me in shock. Jack of all trade master of none type of dog. Edited September 16, 2016 by C.green