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[BGD 6,436]

Did you miss this one pal? I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts if you wouldn't mind

 

What I don't get is if dinosaurs and humans coexisted at some point why is there literally no record or evidence of it? No cave paintings, no written descriptions, no dinosaur bones found in human settlements, no evidence of them being hunted.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2016 by BGD

[mushroom 12,894]

You don't reply because you can't love. You don't speak another language hence you don't understand the nuances or differences from language to language and that's just within the same family group. When you start to try and translate say from Semitic to Germanic you cannot translate word for word or properly convey the meaning correctly because it is open to linguistic and artistic interpretation

 

As for dimensions, time is the fourth and it is our perception and measurment of it which allows us to see it. It is therefore there whether we measure it or not, the same as space (which falls under the normal 3 dimensions of XYZ axis)

 

Keep up pal I could run rings around you all day long and you know it hence why you chose not to reply ?

[gnasher16 30,065]

I never have and never will mock a person that has faith. In my eyes faith is a belief that comes from within the person and needs no clarification. What I do find intriguing is when a person who claims they have faith but continues to search for answers. That to me suggests that they are not really quite sure and perhaps are searching for confirmation that they actually do have faith?

 

People like Wilf and Gnasher are very comfortable with their beliefs and are quite happy to say. I have a faith, end of.

 

Just an observation.

 

TC

In all honesty from having had the odd natter on the subject i think Wilf is probably a little bit further along than i am in terms of comfort i just have an inquisitive nature and will always be looking for answers im unlikely to get so i just go with my gut.....i actually admire people like Francie who seems to really dedicate time and energy into seeking and proving truth to me that's different to what i have which is a basic " belief ".....i dont particularly need evidence but if it comes along then im not a fool who will deny it.....ive just not come across any yet that go,s against what i " believe ".

 

Topics like this the human nature of how people act and react to others beliefs i find quite amusing.....folk taking the piss and mocking because someone dares to believe different to what they believe.......though i must admit Tiercel i find the way you articulate yourself in such a respectful way has made me look into things like " agnostic " which embarrassingly is not a term ive really been that familiar with but have since researched......so exchanging views in the correct way can certainly open doors and that has to be a good thing regardless,cheers

Edited September 27, 2016 by gnasher16

[Francie 6,368]

You don't reply because you can't love. You don't speak another language hence you don't understand the nuances or differences from language to language and that's just within the same family group. When you start to try and translate say from Semitic to Germanic you cannot translate word for word or properly convey the meaning correctly because it is open to linguistic and artistic interpretation

 

As for dimensions, time is the fourth and it is our perception and measurment of it which allows us to see it. It is therefore there whether we measure it or not, the same as space (which falls under the normal 3 dimensions of XYZ axis)

 

Keep up pal I could run rings around you all day long and you know it hence why you chose not to reply ?

Lol not to reply to what, I just asked you a question, an you dodged it.

 

I trust the men that translated it, so no fuss there.

[Francie 6,368]

Did you miss this one pal? I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts if you wouldn't mind

 

 

What I don't get is if dinosaurs and humans coexisted at some point why is there literally no record or evidence of it? No cave paintings, no written descriptions, no dinosaur bones found in human settlements, no evidence of them being hunted.

 

 

Oh but there is, you must haven't looked pal

[Francie 6,368]

 

 

Time is a dimension that is natural and universal. It permeates everything. What you are talking about T is scale, man has created OUR scale to understand it. It's the same as Celsius and Fahrenheit for temp. Aliens would have their own scales and we would be able to marry them up and understand them. Why? Because maths is universal and unchanging only the scales change

 

To Francie; I noticed you avoided coming back to me re the translation of your book. As BGD said you cherry pick love ????

So I'm guessing you think you know about dimensions, saying your trying to explain for.

 

If time is a dimension, space an matter are also, do you agree?

 

If so do you agree that the three would have had to come into existence simultaneously?

 

Or did they evolve? How did the three dimensions come into existence, after all it all mathmatics.

Yes they all began after the Big Bang....

Who seen the big Brock? No one

 

We're talking science mate not imagination.

 

So nothing just randomly created time space an matter, ok now who's telling fairytale lol

 

Plus mathmatics just appeared also, good trick.

Edited September 27, 2016 by Francie

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

Did you miss this one pal? I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts if you wouldn't mind

 

 

What I don't get is if dinosaurs and humans coexisted at some point why is there literally no record or evidence of it? No cave paintings, no written descriptions, no dinosaur bones found in human settlements, no evidence of them being hunted.

 

 

Oh but there is, you must haven't looked pal

Do tell....

[walshie 2,804]

I never have and never will mock a person that has faith. In my eyes faith is a belief that comes from within the person and needs no clarification. What I do find intriguing is when a person who claims they have faith but continues to search for answers. That to me suggests that they are not really quite sure and perhaps are searching for confirmation that they actually do have faith?

 

People like Wilf and Gnasher are very comfortable with their beliefs and are quite happy to say. I have a faith, end of.

 

Just an observation.

 

TC

 

Very well said TC.

 

Surely faith means you don't need answers. A belief not based on proof.

[mushroom 12,894]

You don't reply because you can't love. You don't speak another language hence you don't understand the nuances or differences from language to language and that's just within the same family group. When you start to try and translate say from Semitic to Germanic you cannot translate word for word or properly convey the meaning correctly because it is open to linguistic and artistic interpretation

 

As for dimensions, time is the fourth and it is our perception and measurment of it which allows us to see it. It is therefore there whether we measure it or not, the same as space (which falls under the normal 3 dimensions of XYZ axis)

 

Keep up pal I could run rings around you all day long and you know it hence why you chose not to reply

Lol not to reply to what, I just asked you a question, an you dodged it.

 

I trust the men that translated it, so no fuss there.

 

Firstly I answered your questions.

 

But to simplify it for you;

 

The universe has always been, the matter in it is just an inhabitant of that 3D space and time. The universe goes through cycles of expansion and contraction Right now it's expanding

 

As for life, it came into being through random changes over periods of time that are incomprehensible to most of the planet (I include you in that) The stars create nearly all the elements in existence. Under incredible temps and pressures something becomes something else (Hydrogen to Helium) In certain conditions protons and neutrons are foced into another atom. This is the basis of physical change. Now if you can get your head around the fact that if you advance this process include elements (minerals, metals, oxygen etc) add a bit of rain and lightening you can see how changes happen.

 

You shot yourself in the foot pal "I'LL TRUST THE MEN THAT TRANSLATED IT" not long ago you'd researched it and said that the KJ was a perfect word for word translation.

[mushroom 12,894]

I'll give you an example for how this language issue works.

 

Google the word Cabron, it will tell you it means a male goat and that is grammaticaly correct but it also means b*****d/cnut/dickhead and would not be used aside from swearing. It appears in the spanish version of the bible as cabra (As in some biblical figure rode his goat) because frankly you cant have some biblical figure riding his b*****d/cnut/dickhead into Bethlehem :laugh:

 

You just don't understand linguistics pal.... Your book like the Arabian nights is just fairy tales badly translated

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

How was god created then? So you cant belive single cell organisms can evolve from base elements or whatever but can believe a god with the power ro create the entire universe can come from nothing? Whichever ever way you cut it you get to a point were something came from nothing.

[scothunter 12,609]

He also talks of it being a conspiracy and having an agenda to hide the truth wouldn't it be better to peddle the god view if they want to control us. (Whoever they are ).

 

You been doing this on pretty much every post francie. Saying there no proof and dismissing anyone who offers an answer to your questions. You also ask for links and when someone takes the time to do it. Well we all know your going to dismiss that aswell. Wouldnt be half as bad if you offered a credible alternative,but you dont.

 

As for the god bashing well as i said if you have faith and believe in such a thing. I said at the start of this thread if you get some sort of solice from that then good on you.

However when someone like francie keeps it going and comes out with conspiracies and NWO shite well i make no apologies for the mockery.

Where the proof that humans and dinasaurs coexisted. Utter shite!

[kanny 20,531]

OK try and get your heads around this.

 

There is no yesterday or past, there is no tomorrow or future. There is only here and now. Time is, as I have said before a concept developed by man on earth that has no bearing on the rest of the universe. I honestly believe the concept of the universe is beyond man's comprehension because we are so constricted by time.

 

We cannot comprehend timelessness or infinity, because in our little word everything has a time line or is finite. Now what that has to do with whether there is a god or not I have not worked out. Yet.

 

TC

I've been giving this alot of thought and to be honest all I've got is a headache... I just dont see how time and space can be different. The world that your describing would be 1 dimensional..this would be the singularity what the supposed big bang erupted from..a time before spacetime but of course there was no time before spacetime

[Tiercel 6,986]

Everything on earth has a time line, we are run by time, we use time to make sense of everything. We even attribute a space time line to the universe to try and make some sense out of what is basically chaos. But in space everything is timeless and chaotic, planets come and go, new stars are formed and old ones die. People ask when the universe was formed as they have to have a time line to make sense of it, Perhaps that is why the big bang theory evolved, to give people a time line? As shroom states the universe is constantly expanding and contracting, it is total chaos with no order or symmetry to it, no beginning and no end.

 

TC

[WILF 46,772]

I think this is one of the reasons people have trouble with anything non scientific, if life isn't categorised into manageable bite size chunks with clear boundaries of time and explanation then it's too much to get your head round......I can understand that, some people are just the type who need the order of an explanation for everything.