Running 2 Dogs

[Casso 1,261]

No id rebond with the dog teaching it that me an my space hold everythibh the dog wants, then I'd up the work load tbh, no more messing with dummy's or dead animals, as most dogs will do that,but introduce warm smelly wriggly squealing bunny into the equasion and you'll be back too square one, if I was guy I'd ask casso or skycat for advice via pm as they can use words a lot better than me haha

Your not doing to bad there sir with your advice

 

The dog should have no resistance in or around its owner, a lot of little niggles with the dog are ironed out by a feeling of trust in that space

Don't go grabbing shit off the dog, let it come into the space first, the item hand over can wait

[billhardy 2,342]

Forget the running paired up on bunnies crazy really don't get it ,hand feed the animal bond strong in its space feeding times . Making possessive habits can be taught for the good but also for the worst she sees you in all likely a threat of her prize, atb bunnys

[flipbull 1,139]

Mine gets his rewarded licking their piss, when I empty their bladders once caught, the dirty cnut.

[Casso 1,261]

No doubt about it training the mutt is far easier than the owner ,

 

You can train a dog something and not really be able to voice just how it happened because when a dog tunes in , it seems to second guess what you expect from it , none of it is rocket science but try it with a strange dog and the f****r will sit there licking his sack , the bond is the key , get the trust built and the rest of it just follows

[MIK 4,756]

Never had a problem training dogs to retrieve ....I've had a bitch stop retrieving but that wasn't her fault but more to do with the type of work she was given in her first few seasons ...I always have pups in the house for the first month or so just to socialise them basic training and house train them ...myself ,wife or young lad will have a rolled up sock or tennis ball and roll it along the floor ...what I have found with retrieving is make it fun ...and make the pup really want to bring it back to you another thing is once they loose interest or start fukin get about stop and like any training.. always end on a high ...works for me

Edited August 31, 2016 by MIK

[skycat 6,173]

As Casso said, the most important thing is for the dog to feel totally overjoyed at being up close and personal with you. When you play with a dog, without giving loads of commands and being bossy, dogs start to feed off your energy and joy at being alive. Play is one of the best bonding activities. I always play wrestle with young dogs. And yes, I let them grab my hands, gently. They're not stupid. Pups learn to grab other pups gently, and they learn to do it even more gently with human hands. And I use my body as a training tool too: sitting on the ground with bent knees and encouraging pups to crawl under my legs to learn to lie down, for example.

So many dogs see bringing the rabbit back to the owner as a downer, when it should be all part of the excitement and fun of catching. Encouraging the pup to grab and hang on to a play item helps too, and it doesn't mean that the pup will always hang on to the rabbit it brings to you. They soon learn that there'll be another rabbit in the beam in a few moments. One of my best retrieving lurchers refused to give up her rabbits to begin with, so we just walked along both holding the rabbit until she let go when I spotted the next one. I'd killed it in her mouth, of course. She soon realised that giving it up meant that she'd get to run another one in the beam. Only took a couple of outings for her to understand that.

[arcticgun 4,548]

Great posts sound advice, bond bond bond, once it's there they so keen too please and you respect them far more, the less is more approach, far less stress on both owner and pup

[arcticgun 4,548]

Regarding allowing them off together I let my young pups run about together usually with dam and spaniel once they up a little they out with full pack , they just seem too learn commands so much easier following the older ones on, same when it comes too jumping bushing etc same when it comes too learning too hunt the older digs teach them loads even just chasing about the empty fields n rough play it all comes in handy down the line,

Edited August 31, 2016 by arcticgun

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

Artic I was just about to post on this sayimg iv noticed with my pup, less is more. It is the first pup iv had where I haven't spent so much time on it, as such, but on the other hand I have spent alot more time with it bonding and we have gelled loads. It may not make sense, but i know what I mean. Iv got a dummy on some string and make him chase it and strike and pull at it, he loves it. Found this has defo made the bond stronger. And iv also never seen a recall so sharp in all my life let alone from 6month pup,even around distractions like other dogs etc he really is shining at minute.

Other day he ran around corner with older dog out of site, another dog owner had thrown a ball for his spaniel and he said my pup beat both dog to the ball, the pup run round the corner back to me like a flash with the dogs ball. With spaniel n my older dog running behind him. Usually I'm that situation you expect to piss off.

Definitely changed my attitude to training pups for the future. As my older dog has quit retrieving to within 15 yards and done it totally different, I tried to be a boss too much rather than the dogs pal. That's my opinion of the two anyway.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

No id rebond with the dog teaching it that me an my space hold everythibh the dog wants, then I'd up the work load tbh, no more messing with dummy's or dead animals, as most dogs will do that,but introduce warm smelly wriggly squealing bunny into the equasion and you'll be back too square one, if I was guy I'd ask casso or skycat for advice via pm as they can use words a lot better than me haha

Fair point. I stand corrected. I suppose it's easy to assume the very basics are in place, such as the bond, as I did. I've always worked on the bond with mine from young and the rest seems to fall into place, they just enjoy being with you and tune into what you want.

 

This red bitch is the most highly strung dog I've had but also the most loyal and easiest to teach stuff to. She just wants to please me. Makes life real easy.

[Saluki71 110]

Do not take another dog with you, that's the last thing you want to do. The dog is still very young and immature and patience is key in this instance. Try crouching down and coaxing him back to you, keep calm and I'm sure the dog will get the message and make a fuss when he does come back to you.

All the best

[springfield 20]

What's people opinions on using food as a treat, maybe offer a piece of chicken as a reward then hopefully it will carry on onto field

[Jekyll 329]

What's people opinions on using food as a treat, maybe offer a piece of chicken as a reward then hopefully it will carry on onto field

Food treats should be well passed at this point imo, bond alone should be the only thing bringing them back, just take your time, it doesn't matter if you scare off afew rabbits talking and encouraging them back at this point.

[my hounds 308]

15 bunnies, really? Lol give the mutt a chance ffs, if its only ever had 15 they still new to it, mutt will be excited

Plus its still a pup in my eyes.

[Casso 1,261]

What's people opinions on using food as a treat, maybe offer a piece of chicken as a reward then hopefully it will carry on onto field

You can use food in a number of ways, It can be used to oil the cogs of a reluctant dog to focus and overcome fear with food as a desire

 

I only use food while out I don't feed at home but I live in the sticks so it's not an issue

 

 

A dog can't hold on to 2 feelings at the same time , hunger promotes desire , it can't hold onto fear when a desire is overwhelming and in return fear has to be given up,

 

I feed all grub out walking the pup , no bowl, get behaviours, mark it , then feed a bit , no free lunch , it just become habit forming and the pup will start giving you behaviours for food , that's then when he starts tuning you in , if I do this I get that ,

 

A dog who believes his actions control the owner can become a very smart dog , it's control from the inside out not outside in

 

I got to say I wouldn't have introduced it to any external distractions such as bunnies at this point

I don't be in a mad tearing rush to introduce prey til I have a good handle on how much attention I can get from a pup while out