What Would You Do?

[fat man 4,741]

Glad to hear it i know I was a bit of a smart arse last time but I think your doing the right thing . You talk about reading of the old timers and there paterdales in all the book I've read 90 % of the old timers at one stage or another put other terrier blood into their lines and the other 10 % did but don't like to say so .so you could question the ped all you like but it might not hold the answer you want or think it does . I know foright a fact Bryan nuttals line through some the odd white one no matter how tight you keep them coz he told me himself

And just because he told you himself you believe him,Brian is no doubt a gentleman but also will tell you exactly what you want to hear,Brian has sold a hell of a lot of pups,good and bad but if a white pup turned up in a litter belonging to him he is hardly going to say its an out cross to something else,saying even though they were kept tight sounds a hell of a lot better,and no offence towards Brian.

[tinytiger 828]

I did start this thread and I all I asked was IF YOU GOT A WHITE DOG OR BLACK AND TAN DOG OUT OF A LITTER AND WAS TOLD THERE WAS NO LAKELAND OR RUSSELL IN IT WOULD YOU QUESTION YOUR PED.that's what I asked. And only a coulee folks answered. The rest like your self instead of answering it you guys say should it matter as long as it works? That wasn't my question. Lol. And just because your from England or Ireland doesn't mean you know anything..I'm sure there alot of nuckle heads that don't no much. Just like every were else. And I understand that sometimes people introduce the Lakeland or even border into there blood or whatever. Then breed off of that. But the bottom line is dont hide it if your the breeder. And just because of wear you live don't automatically make you dog man.there idiots in every country.

 

id say youre using youre experience with pitbulls and trying to draw up conclusions or rules from that experience that would also work for patterdales..the pitbull is a much older breed or type-and came from various types that had been probably kept pure a long time before they came to your country..some of the men who had a big hand in the formation of the paterdale type are still alive

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[Craic 203]

Uru ,Just out of interest what do you hunt with your dogs

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[Mary 352]

Sounds like someone else may be in his ear.

[Daniel cain 45,249]

Sounds like rippems in it for the coin and nowt else imo-lads in the UK been pumping out the dogs with akc paperwork to poor old unsuppecting lads in the states and Europe for a while now -not worth the paper it's written on. Folks still willing to buy the dream .atb dc

[pablo esc 1,598]

Some back to front and bullshit crap been said on this page , from the picture of the staff Russell down to here. Every drop of it.

[leethedog 3,071]

 

dillydog, you guys really need to read full post and not just parts. I DID NO BREEDING AND GOT WHITE DOGS FROM IT,LOL,I was asking what would you think and do if you were told there was no Russell or Lakeland in the blood and you got white dogs or black and tans..I was asking what you guys would do and would you question the breeding? That's all. I never saw a Lakeland before but one. A dog Named alphie. So I didn't know anything about them till I got on here. And the breeder to a female I bought told me the bitch to my pup was a pat. 3/4 Gould and 1/4 Nuttall.well as my pup started getting older she got a white Mohawk and white on her face and chest the mother looks just like a lakeland. Well I saw that he posted a pic of the mother on the Lakeland thread and hit him up right away. And said I thought you said she wasn't a Lakeland and he insist she isnt.but I know better. Of it look like like a duck it's a duck. She looks nothing like a pat..do I dislike her for this? No. She coming on nice. But will I ever breed her knowing this? NO WAY! I'm not a breeder and never sold Dog so I never bred my pats that I hunted with. And guess what? That screwed me!I had nice hard little dogs! So hear I am now starting over and this breeder knew this. He knew I wanted a tight ped and a pup off hard workers.a couple guys told me to go to him if I wanted hunting dogs so I did.did I get so far a nice acting pup? Yes But Only Time Will tell. Will I ever bred her knowing the ped on the bitch isn't right? No! No matter how good she hunts!I believe in line breeding and not playing god and breeding whatever to whatever. That's not how you get consistency. And a breeder should never lie about his breeding. Especially if he believes in what he's breeding

Yes I have sold dogs.And yes,I have given as many, away.If this makes me a peddlar then I guess I am. I sold you a pup that you seemed well pleased with. You saw the same picture of the mother, as the one you now act surprised about.

You joined THL and complained that you knew I had sold you a bedlington cross because she looked just like the ones you saw on the board.I told you that as much as I wished that I had bedlington blood to use,no she was Gould /Nuttall bred.

I offered then to buy her back and you refused.

I tried to explain that unlike the APBT,you could get a variety of coats and colors due to the various Terriers used in the makeup of these dogs.

We kept in touch with you sending me progress reports on how she did and I did the same about her litter mates.

You have more than once asked to buy another because you liked her so well.You told me as recently as the last 2 weeks how much you liked her.

I recently bumped the Lakeland thread up and now you tell me that you know her dam is Lakeland and implied on the board that I scammed you.

I explained that I do not know where exactly the coloring comes from but have asked and the man/men who bred and worked the dogs behind Spider's (your pups mother)sire,didn't know either.

But while I never claim to be an expert on anything, I do know that Spider and the dogs in her pedigree are solid,proven and I wished I owned a yard full of them.

Out of respect of not wanting to drag them into it,all that I'll say is they have worked and culled hard to maintain these dogs and there are real Terrier working men across the country that have these dogs and if decide to on their own can back that up.

Literally every dog in the pedigree does or did work consistently, a few dying working.

I've included a couple pictures of Spider and her sire Spud.

I'm curious though. If Spud's questionable looks/breeding prevent you from ever wanting to breed your female,then what about the male you bought from wherever, Rupert? His grandmother is Aggie ,a granddaughter lookalike of Spud and her mother is a half sister to Spud.Even though he acts great, doesn't this questionable/non pure Patterdale blood disqualify him too?

There's nothing wrong with questions and wanting answers at all but for you to mislead people into thinking I've scammed you is not cool.

Again on the open board,if you do not want your female, I will buy her back. Let me know right away so I can set it up.uru

Now that's putting it straight

[Bryan 1,362]

Rippem, these dogs are bred for work, the standard they're judged by is work and only work. There's is no physical standard for these dogs because it doesn't come into it.

Either they can or can't, do or don't. A big dog will find plenty work in some kennels and a tiny bitch the same in another, there's jobs for everyone if they want the work.

 

I every litter down from generations of workers we expect there to be some non workers or pups not up to the working standard.

 

No one is shocked when non workers are produced by Worker X Worker. Why would anyone give a shit if black X black produce blank and tan? The concern is will it work.

 

As Dillydog said Smithy was half Lakie, he's one of the foundations of "pure" american patterdales.

 

Americans want Pure dogs, all most of us are breeding for is working dogs.

[Greyman 28,392]

 

Glad to hear it i know I was a bit of a smart arse last time but I think your doing the right thing . You talk about reading of the old timers and there paterdales in all the book I've read 90 % of the old timers at one stage or another put other terrier blood into their lines and the other 10 % did but don't like to say so .so you could question the ped all you like but it might not hold the answer you want or think it does . I know foright a fact Bryan nuttals line through some the odd white one no matter how tight you keep them coz he told me himself

 

And just because he told you himself you believe him,Brian is no doubt a gentleman but also will tell you exactly what you want to hear,Brian has sold a hell of a lot of pups,good and bad but if a white pup turned up in a litter belonging to him he is hardly going to say its an out cross to something else,saying even though they were kept tight sounds a hell of a lot better,and no offence towards Brian.

. I have an old nuttal bitch, and ever since she was a pup everyone that sees her says I,ve never seen a staff that small, she is 13 year old now and still game for a days hedging, but definitely has a percentage of bully in her make up

[rippem 455]

Me personally,Mainly coon.occasionally groundhog.

you hunt? That's funny the folks that know you say you don't hunt. You send me pics of 6 and I month old dogs telling me they killed a coon when there just sniffing it and asking me not to share the pics. Lol. And I have bitched about her coat. She was black then she started turning white. And she itch's her ass off! And you didn't say you would buy her back! You said you would try and find someone to buy her! Wtf is wrong with you? And yes I did ask if she beddy in her blood because she resembles one so what..and her mother is a Lakeland and you just texted me 2 days ago saying yourself your not a 100% on the ped that you yourself questioned it! I have all the text from you BUDDY! When I get back in town I'll post the text's..and you say you will buy her back then give me my 500$ and pick her up!! You can keep your white scratchy dog! Never once have I mentioned your name on this board. And Rupert I highly doubt you know the parents because I asked you if you did in the beginning and you said no. And I also have that text BUDDY!! Pick up your dog and bring me my money..oh and by the way the guy In Missouri said he wants his papers that you also said he was gonna get and never did! And the guy down south your so called friend you told me to call said he isn't your friend and your a puppy peddler and never hunted!! BRING MY MONEY AND PICK UP YOUR DOG!! we can finish when we see each other!

[leethedog 3,071]

500$ is that what you paid f**k man