Welsh Sheepdog

[bird 10,004]

I'm not sure whippets of any breeding could hold the bulk to which a cattle dog would add,border crosses nearly always to heavey to be useful and they aren't as heavey as an aussie type,would any one put an alsation to a whippet?,just can't see it working,

Where as a nice size greyhound would generate better length and hight,adding more weight to something already highly strung like a whippet could create yappers when on pressure runs.

yeh fair point, prob what i meant was a whippetxgrey , some bigger than a whippet, but not quite as big as greyhound, like (wild rover) on here got his dogs seem spot on in size for mooching etc, most day stuff . thats what i be looking for in the future 5 years down the line .

[colliejohn 840]

I watched the programme with great interest, like the border collie the welsh collie varies in colour, size, and temperament, my friend works a welsh collie bitch on his farm both on cattle and sheep, she is a very good bitch, and works on instinct, regards incorparating them in a lurcher breeding programme i personally would go to a leggy type, i like the big leggy sable/ red white dog that was on the documentary ,i personally wouldn,t of gone to the black and white dog but that was her preference, those who know me , know i,m passionate about collies i go to trials sheepdog sales, i see so much variations in collies i.e. colour , size, temperaments, i,m currently on the lookout for a collie bitch pup, theres certain lines i,m looking at what throw leggy bitches, in time like i,ve done for years is to carry on breeding my own dogs, i know whats in them, their traits, good points, also their bad points, and in time i will use my dog Dan over a bitch what i will bring in, he,s my ideal type of dog temperament wise, work wise , build wise, and a bonus looks wise, but thats for the future has they say. regards collie john.

[Neal 1,874]

I watched the programme with great interest, like the border collie the welsh collie varies in colour, size, and temperament, my friend works a welsh collie bitch on his farm both on cattle and sheep, she is a very good bitch, and works on instinct, regards incorparating them in a lurcher breeding programme i personally would go to a leggy type, i like the big leggy sable/ red white dog that was on the documentary ,i personally wouldn,t of gone to the black and white dog but that was her preference, those who know me , know i,m passionate about collies i go to trials sheepdog sales, i see so much variations in collies i.e. colour , size, temperaments, i,m currently on the lookout for a collie bitch pup, theres certain lines i,m looking at what throw leggy bitches, in time like i,ve done for years is to carry on breeding my own dogs, i know whats in them, their traits, good points, also their bad points, and in time i will use my dog Dan over a bitch what i will bring in, he,s my ideal type of dog temperament wise, work wise , build wise, and a bonus looks wise, but thats for the future has they say. regards collie john.

Completely agree. As I've said, most dogs bred for a particular job (as oppossed to a particular appearance) tend to vary in appearance. My old Rusty (in my avatar) was often mistaken for a husky cross (even by people with sled dogs), Amber looked like an ugly collie cross, Scout looks like the runt in a litter of whippet x Alsation/Collies and Noggin is the only one which looks like an "archetypal" Kelpie (if there is such a thing) though he was regularly mistaken for a Rotty pup before his ears went up.

 

When I booked Noggin I didn't ask for a particular colour, height or build but rather one which acted/behaved/worked like several particular individuals he was descended from...fortunately I got him from a farmer who knew what she was talking about...just like (it would seem) a lot of Welsh Sheepdog breeders.

[Somewhereyournot 1,117]

I watched the programme with great interest, like the border collie the welsh collie varies in colour, size, and temperament, my friend works a welsh collie bitch on his farm both on cattle and sheep, she is a very good bitch, and works on instinct, regards incorparating them in a lurcher breeding programme i personally would go to a leggy type, i like the big leggy sable/ red white dog that was on the documentary ,i personally wouldn,t of gone to the black and white dog but that was her preference, those who know me , know i,m passionate about collies i go to trials sheepdog sales, i see so much variations in collies i.e. colour , size, temperaments, i,m currently on the lookout for a collie bitch pup, theres certain lines i,m looking at what throw leggy bitches, in time like i,ve done for years is to carry on breeding my own dogs, i know whats in them, their traits, good points, also their bad points, and in time i will use my dog Dan over a bitch what i will bring in, he,s my ideal type of dog temperament wise, work wise , build wise, and a bonus looks wise, but thats for the future has they say. regards collie john.

any pictures of the dog u have?

[morton 5,368]

 

Went with my ex to pick her welsh sheepdog bitch up from john davies in aberystwyth, 2005 I think..

He had a cracking litter there, sired by a big, rangy black and tan dog. Superb looking dog.

I don't think the gene pool is small as such, they just aint as common as border collies

There just the same as the fell dogs you get here in the lakes apart from you need to speak welsh to work them lol.

 

I watched the Kate Humble programme and failed to get into the Welsh Collie romanticism,especially as the majority of them where basically Border bred and worked exactly as Borders graft in the Fells,Cumbria etc.Humble and co. failed to grasp the difference between trial and hill working collies,hill bred collies work the same,English,Welsh whatever.Borders are a type all over the Isles,the very small so called pure Welsh pool where all over the place in type,thus they are not type typical,except the Border looking ones.

[ands 559]

The dogs the contract type shepards use- the ones that gather up the half wild sheep out of the big forestry plantings are impressive alright! Great lurcher breeding potential.

[Moja 111]

Sorry to be a pain any links, sounds interesting