Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 I think a dog needs to be in the act of worrying when it is shot.Otherwise the shooter has become judge and jury.. If I was a dog shooting farmer I might be worried that someone might come one night and shoot all my sheep with hollow point .22 bullets in revenge for shooting someones dog..Christ they wouldnt even need a lamp. Last time I heard of a farmer shooting a dog was a few years back, his gate came open in the night and livestock were everywhere. Loads got knocked down. Caused him carnage and no end of problems. Poor bugger. Would that have been another cowardly lurcher owner that used the darkness to hide behind,a shroud to cover for their lack of morals or ability to accept their blame.The farmers are not the problem here folk,most of the time,the problem is the feckwits that often find it quaintly amusing to muller some wool when nothing else is available for their mutts,the feckwit that gets upset because somebody else as needed to take action because of their irresponsible actions,the feckwit that causes mayhem and damage upon the farmer when the farmer was not the REAL culprit.If your dog is the problem then you are to blame,if the dog is shot you are the cause,man up,grow a pair and face your responsibility,or as many find acceptable,blame another and make them suffer.Stop talking bollocks Morton. This isn't about lads who don't stock break their dogs. You know aswel as I do that there are trigger happy farmers and keepers out there who will shoot a dog which isn't worrying stock and purely because the lads are walking the land. How the lurcher owner takes his revenge is up to him. Not everyone is Billy big bollocks like you and wants to give the land owner a good hiding and then face 5 years behind bars. If you read my posts a little slower,i typed them as slowly as i could to suit some,you may have read that i covered that scenario.I have no time, or more importantly, any wish to be associated with the feckless few that seek revenge for their actions,or lack of them,on the toss side of the coin rightful retribution is something i may have a little affinity towardsThe facts are that the majority of feckwits don,t wish to accept any form of blame when they are at fault,yet seek revenge with the same thirst as a more justified party. If one of my dogs chased stock and a farmer shot it I would be happy to pay for any damages and apologise as it would be me to blame entirely. We were talking about (or at least I thought we were) farmers shooting dogs for reasons other than stock worrying. I've not heard anyone complain that their dog was shot when genuinely worrying stock. It's always for other reasons. Mainly because they were on the land and the farmer didn't want them there. 1 Quote Link to post
Welsh_red 4,615 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 With dog lads like some of you boys who needs antis and wildlife police hey. Nothing like sticking together. Id not hang my coat on the same door as the feckless minority with lurchers,they are the main reason Anti,s gain ammo and the Police interfere.I can say with pride that id never wish to be associated with many polluting our ranks. Just in the interest of me understanding the conversation on here . Do you have dogs you run? Not having a dog or anything Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 With dog lads like some of you boys who needs antis and wildlife police hey. Nothing like sticking together. Id not hang my coat on the same door as the feckless minority with lurchers,they are the main reason Anti,s gain ammo and the Police interfere.I can say with pride that id never wish to be associated with many polluting our ranks. Just in the interest of me understanding the conversation on here . Do you have dogs you run? Not having a dog or anything Ive owned and hunted with lurchers and terriers since i was about 5,more seriously for the last 36 years.For the last few months ive been without a lurcher,apart from when i borrow my sons,the twat won,t give it back.I am seeking another,as yet a fruitless exercise.Im met some good lads and lasses over the years,ive met more dross,dross floats away to be replaced by more of the same,decent folk will always be the same and i share much more with them than others. 1 Quote Link to post
C.green 3,229 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Without going into it too much my dogs are broke to everything including young game birds but I still avoid sheep if you've been seen on land before a trigger happy keeper or farmer will be dying to catch your dog in with stock. it's rare someone will come straight up and shoot a dog it's allways done from distance or from a motor. Best thing to do is keep your dog close and don't let it show aggression closest I've come to having a dog shot is when the dog started bearing it's teeth. I find the older fellers ok but it's the young ones straight out of keepering college you gotta watch out for. Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,076 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 All my permission is sheep farmers and had one for 30 odd years hot to be under control but they do chase through sheep and farmers sees this and understands and allows it 3 Quote Link to post
ginger beard 4,652 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 don't worry stock and stay on permission and you won't have a problem if you don't your aware of the consquences.sorry gaz but i'm not sticking with the majority on here. i wouldn't keep company with 9/10ths of people on here and i doubt they would me .thank god. 4 Quote Link to post
leo1 134 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 As I said it's the minority, there's dog lads then there's the rest that just don't give a feck, I know and run the dogs with plenty good lads that's know the score . Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,076 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Bastarts even photo bomd my pictures lol 11 Quote Link to post
lurcherman 887 13,080 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Lol 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Without going into it too much my dogs are broke to everything including young game birds but I still avoid sheep if you've been seen on land before a trigger happy keeper or farmer will be dying to catch your dog in with stock. it's rare someone will come straight up and shoot a dog it's allways done from distance or from a motor. Best thing to do is keep your dog close and don't let it show aggression closest I've come to having a dog shot is when the dog started bearing it's teeth. I find the older fellers ok but it's the young ones straight out of keepering college you gotta watch out for. If you hunt around Yorkshire and Cumbria its impossible not to encounter sheep,thus you cut your cloth accordingly.A mate had a dog shot from over 200 yds away from the rifle,it was under control and nearly at heel,Cow eye,as he was known,paid with a few severe beatings and still does not drink in Keighley.I find many young keepers with ego,s that was not taught by their elders,they keeper in a far less savoury way than their elders,their elders had more respect for the land and wildlife. 3 Quote Link to post
shaaark 10,700 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Morton, dogs since 5 years old, and more seriously for the last 36 years. Are you only 41 years of age then? 1 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 don't worry stock and stay on permission and you won't have a problem if you don't your aware of the consquences.sorry gaz but i'm not sticking with the majority on here. i wouldn't keep company with 9/10ths of people on here and i doubt they would me .thank god. No need to apologise to me fella. You're a lucky man with the permission you've got but we aren't all that lucky. I wish I was but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Thats why I don't see every man who jumps the fence as a disrespectful thug or stock worrier like some on here are implying. Some of us are just out to work our dogs and do the best we can to do our thing and not upset anyone. But it doesnt always go to plan. 3 Quote Link to post
Welsh_red 4,615 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Without going into it too much my dogs are broke to everything including young game birds but I still avoid sheep if you've been seen on land before a trigger happy keeper or farmer will be dying to catch your dog in with stock. it's rare someone will come straight up and shoot a dog it's allways done from distance or from a motor. Best thing to do is keep your dog close and don't let it show aggression closest I've come to having a dog shot is when the dog started bearing it's teeth. I find the older fellers ok but it's the young ones straight out of keepering college you gotta watch out for. If you hunt around Yorkshire and Cumbria its impossible not to encounter sheep,thus you cut your cloth accordingly.A mate had a dog shot from over 200 yds away from the rifle,it was under control and nearly at heel,Cow eye,as he was known,paid with a few severe beatings and still does not drink in Keighley.I find many young keepers with ego,s that was not taught by their elders,they keeper in a far less savoury way than their elders,their elders had more respect for the land and wildlife. Surely if the dog was near heel it would have been close to the bloke . Regardless of worrying stock nobody should have a bullet aimed that close to them . Any miscalculation and the bloke could be dead not the dog Quote Link to post
forest 137 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 I no a man who was poaching with a dog got caught the week before and farmer threatened to shoot dog. Lad went back week later and shot him only he shot the lads leg clean off. He never went on again Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 Morton, dogs since 5 years old, and more seriously for the last 36 years. Are you only 41 years of age then? 56 Quote Link to post
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