neil cooney 10,416 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I hope no one puts up a copy of the rules. It's a very private part of history in the Irish working dog game. Regarding the trials not being a game test ? I was going to stay out of a silly thread, IMO, but to not give credit to two of the gamest breeds ever would be an insult. The trials resulted in the working type Staff and the Wheaten becoming very fine tuned game dogs. So there must of been something in the trials to produce game dogs. IMO it was more of the level of competition than the trial itself. There were judges present and you had to have better than everyone else to get in the silverware. Also, anyone who thinks that the ol' trial dogs of Ireland couldn't hold their own in other disciplines should educate themselves before making such statements. Even Wheatens. Someone said they'd doubt a 20 lb dog could hold a Coyote. If a 50 lb bulldog can hold a 100 lb feral pig or 2 Bulldogs can catch a feral steer to be branded then IMO a 20 lb dog could hold a 40 lb Coyote. BUT, only if he wants to. 5 Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I hope no one puts up a copy of the rules. It's a very private part of history in the Irish working dog game. Regarding the trials not being a game test ? I was going to stay out of a silly thread, IMO, but to not give credit to two of the gamest breeds ever would be an insult. The trials resulted in the working type Staff and the Wheaten becoming very fine tuned game dogs. So there must of been something in the trials to produce game dogs. IMO it was more of the level of competition than the trial itself. There were judges present and you had to have better than everyone else to get in the silverware. Also, anyone who thinks that the ol' trial dogs of Ireland couldn't hold their own in other disciplines should educate themselves before making such statements. Even Wheatens. Someone said they'd doubt a 20 lb dog could hold a Coyote. If a 50 lb bulldog can hold a 100 lb feral pig or 2 Bulldogs can catch a feral steer to be branded then IMO a 20 lb dog could hold a 40 lb Coyote. BUT, only if he wants to. Fact is the best of these Staffs and such were about average in the APBT world. I don't see why posting the rules of a historic sport should be kept as private, hell you can find Cajun Rules plastered all over the web. What's silly about the thread? A guy was asking a honest question about what took place with his uncles dogs... 1 Quote Link to post
Daniel cain 44,954 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 No need to feed ammo to the antis imo-if your interested then maybe pm the irish lads and they may explain the rules .atb dc Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 No need to feed ammo to the antis imo-if your interested then maybe pm the irish lads and they may explain the rules .atb dc Well I don't see how it would do that but hey ho, if any lads wants to copy and paste me the full rules then that would be appreciated. Quote Link to post
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The rules are printed in Mike Homans book 'a complete history of fighting dogs'...so neither really private or secret 1 Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) The rules are printed in Mike Homans book 'a complete history of fighting dogs'...so neither really private or secret Is this the Irish Kennel Club rules? Puzzles me how 6 minutes is enough to see wether a dog is game or not...... I guess tgameness is subject to opinion. Edited August 25, 2016 by DogFox123 Quote Link to post
BGD 6,431 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The rules are on Wikipedia FFS hardly some great big secret of the ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teastas_Mor 3 Quote Link to post
AKA-BRINDLE 879 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The rules are printed in Mike Homans book 'a complete history of fighting dogs'...so neither really private or secret Is this the Irish Kennel Club rules? Puzzles me how 6 minutes is enough to see wether a dog is game or not...... I guess tgameness is subject to opinion. Yes the Irish Kennel Club rules for Teastas Mor...no doubt they will be on the web somewhere...yea a matter of opinion on gameness but not a discussion id want to be in on the net...but i will say i have the utmost respect for those Irish dogmen of old...and the dogs they worked and bred Quote Link to post
kyboy44 11 Posted August 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 That what I was thinking that over here pitbull dogs are the main dog for hog catching and in the old west they were used to catch longhorn cattle this were half wild and at the most it was two dogs hold a bull that could go up to a 1000 pounds so I am thinking maybe if the dog had the drive and the well I have heard of a few of the bull terrier still be used for wild hogs I was thinking a x from one of those with a tracking terrier could be able to do the job I was told about Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The rules are on Wikipedia FFS hardly some great big secret of the ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teastas_Mor Neil will be fuming now ? Quote Link to post
BGD 6,431 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The rules are on Wikipedia FFS hardly some great big secret of the ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teastas_Mor Neil will be fuming now ? Aye that's me kicked out of the magic circle 2 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) The rules are on Wikipedia FFS hardly some great big secret of the ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teastas_Mor They are the rules used by the kennel club 'till '66. Using dogs to hunt badger in Eire was legal till the mid 70s. IMO it was after 66 that the trials were properly used for testing terriers because before that an Irish breed of terrier couldn't get his green star in the show ring unless he had passed a trial. How open to corruption was that if show folks past reputations for getting rosettes was. The trials that we discuss on here were for working dogmen and many's a wheaten X staff or EBT X Wheaten and so on were entered. The K.C. wouldn't have allowed this pre 66. Edited August 25, 2016 by neil cooney 1 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 The rules are on Wikipedia FFS hardly some great big secret of the ages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teastas_Mor Neil will be fuming now Aye that's me kicked out of the magic circle No, not at all. You just put up the wrong info, not your fault. 1 Quote Link to post
neil cooney 10,416 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) . Edited August 25, 2016 by neil cooney Quote Link to post
Bryan 1,362 Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 Some craic on THL kids shouting down the guys that were there and done it. Cause the heard all about it online. 2 Quote Link to post
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