Wolf coursing with Borzois.

[roan 4]

Didn't read any posts that were anti-hunting?

 

Thats what there training those dogs to do and what you condemn them for! Hunting.

you think thats hunting and you acuse people like me of exaggerating its the like of you with your stupid ideas on hunting taking all measures to get a dog going and misconceived morals on cruelty that got hunting banded by putting illogical reasoning to an obviously cruel practice and then try to compare it to coursing hares with muzzles that generally cannot be caught and i dont know maybe you have to make it this easy for your dogs to catch something but i dont they either have it or they dont when would even a wild dog get anopportunity like that im off lamping wild game take care ............

 

What a well wrote and educated reply roan. How long did it take you to write that?

not long i am well educated thanks .... what do you think of doxhopes video seems to not have a rope on it so doubt your interested

[shepp 2,285]

Didn't read any posts that were anti-hunting?

 

Thats what there training those dogs to do and what you condemn them for! Hunting.

 

That was not sport and was not in any way hunting.

[Guest joe ox]

Good clip doxhope, dogs doing there job on a coyote?

roan the clip is just fine but give it time and I bet some on here will have something derogatory to say about it!

[salukixminshaw 1]

Didn't read any posts that were anti-hunting?

 

Thats what there training those dogs to do and what you condemn them for! Hunting.

 

That was not sport and was not in any way hunting.

who said it was hunting im saying its training read the posts

[Paid 935]

Its baiting, pure and simple.

Nothing to do with hunting.

Nothing to do with training, unless their training the dogs to not actually catch and kill a wild wolf.

Edited December 7, 2007 by Paid

[Guest MOLLY]

Molly why condemn something you dont understand?

So i dont understand, but you do, how did you come to that assumption Joe? Perhaps it is you who dont and i who do

Moll.

[Guest MOLLY]

And i though hunting got banned was because people thought hunters actually supported baiting and cruelty like this

At the end of the day no form of legit hunting involved baiting, especially the same poor animal time and time again. If the deerhounds flushed and caught the wolf, i dont have a problem with that, same with fox, deer, bunnies or bloody moles ffs.

Completely different, no comparison at all to hunting.

But as always to try to win a discussion lets call people who dont agree...antis

Moll.

if the russian chose to train there dogs like that who are you to judge

I judge it the same way you are judging me for my opinions... so who are you to judge me...get my drift

Moll.

[salukixminshaw 1]

And i though hunting got banned was because people thought hunters actually supported baiting and cruelty like this

At the end of the day no form of legit hunting involved baiting, especially the same poor animal time and time again. If the deerhounds flushed and caught the wolf, i dont have a problem with that, same with fox, deer, bunnies or bloody moles ffs.

Completely different, no comparison at all to hunting.

But as always to try to win a discussion lets call people who dont agree...antis

Moll.

if the russian chose to train there dogs like that who are you to judge

I judge it the same way you are judging me for my opinions... so who are you to judge me...get my drift

Moll.

the thing is youse are judging them on what they are doing im saying if thats how they train there dogs so what

[Guest joe ox]

Molly why condemn something you dont understand?

So i dont understand, but you do, how did you come to that assumption Joe? Perhaps it is you who dont and i who do

Moll.

 

I dont know the purpose for doing what they are doing but I wont condemn something I dont know the full facts of. If you do please share.

[snoopdog 1,256]

Molly why condemn something you dont understand?

So i dont understand, but you do, how did you come to that assumption Joe? Perhaps it is you who dont and i who do

Moll.

 

I dont know the purpose for doing what they are doing but I wont condemn something I dont know the full facts of. If you do please share.

how come you comment on fen hares then joe if you have never ran them ....

[Guest joe ox]

how come you comment on fen hares then joe if you have never ran them ....

 

What brings you to that conclusion?

Edited December 7, 2007 by joe ox

[COMPO 54]

this topic was closed a minute ago (apologise to Molly for the PM now that i can reply on here with my knowledge of wolf coursing)

 

In russia they have different opinions and are from a different mind set.

 

may i explain a few things.

 

In Russia a wolf hunt consists of a pack of hounds (very similar to Foxhounds) they are operated by groups of peasant on foot and their primary and only function is to flush the wolfs from woodland/cover.

(A bit like a beaters line but with hounds rather than spaniels)

 

the mounted huntsman then is stationed near to the expected flush point of the wolfs, they have long coursing slips and slip the borzois from horse back, they run a minimum of 3 borzois , sometimes more.

It is not the purpose of the borzois to kill the wolf, they "pin" the wolf, this may be by actually pinning it to the floor, or they may hold it at bay, it is not a slight on the borzoi not to kill the wolf, it is not their role.

 

when the wolf is pinned, the mounted huntsman who slipped the borzois approaches and uses a special short sword to despatch the wolf.

 

If their is a shortage of wolfs in the vicinty then that wolf will be taken alive (they have large tongs like badger tongs) and caged and used again.

 

If they are using a caged wolf, they will place the cage on a flat bed horse drawn carriage and tour the local villages, the locals then follow the "hunt" and watch as the wolf is released,chased and usually re-captured.

 

The russian philosphy is different to the western worlds and their perception of "sport" is also different.

 

borzois in their native russia are a thing of beauty and really are a capable animal.

 

i aren't condoning or criticisng just explaining a few facts about the russian wolf hunts that no one else seemed to know or have shared.

 

Comrade Compo

[snoopdog 1,256]

i have my contacts joe ...its a small world the dog world ..as you well know .....

[Guest SJM]

[COMPO 54]

also it wasn't a training exercise, they train the borzois on foxes, and place a new borzoi with a couple or more experienced dogs