shaaark 10,907 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 (edited) maybe because they are sh!te ?? chances are they have been tried and sacked off, if they were any good they would be popular Sweeping statement socks, why are they shit? Surely if they were of much use they would be more popular? Let's have it right every cross under the sun has been tried at some point. The good stuff tends to stick around and the not so good stuff tends to fade away. Disagree with both above posts. And I'm not not getting into a debate on bull x's. Ok, some of the racy ones can be pretty useful, but 90% of them are shockingly shite, bred from shockingly shite parents etc, look how popular they are? Ok I will stop being a tit for a second ... What would a gun dog bring to the table that isn't already available ??? Not a lot .... They hunt primararly by scent a hound does that better ... Their soft mouthed ... ok if your only after rabbits ... Great in water ... You don't catch many rabbits in the river ... Easy to train ... So are collies ... Extra speed no ... Extra stamina no ... Good feet no ... Anything they can add conformation wise no ... Lots of inbreeding problems with hips etc ... A decent coat yes ... For me there is nothing they bring to the table that isn't already there ....... Socks, not all gundogs are soft mouthed all of the time, and some not even soft mouthed at all. And a lab on an estate I worked on years ago, would kill foxes that he caught quicker than almost every fox killing lurcher I've seen, and he wasn't a one of. And seen plenty of rabbit, and bird crunchers of all types of gundog over the years. Mik, nose ,retrieve ,soft mouth good feet and good coat also quite biddable. You don't need that good a nose for most lurcher work ,most lurcher are easy to train to retrieve I have a pup that my nine year old son taught to retrieve at 10 weeks ,all my lurchers will retrieve rabbits live to hand , they have better feet that any gun dog I have seen ,...there is nothing a lab or a spaniel can bring to the mix and I have been around gun dogs since I was a kid ...but then it depends if you just want a mediocre lurcher Mik, gwp's are gundogs, as you obviously know, aren't many of them supposed to be good fox dogs, and also really good working dogs in general. The other day half this site was raving how useful they'd be put to a greyhound. Because they don't sell. If some folk thought they could easily shift litters of them, they could be as popular as many other x's. Nail on the head Edited August 23, 2016 by shaaark 4 Quote Link to post
straight2hand 303 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Ok I will stop being a tit for a second ... What would a gun dog bring to the table that isn't already available ??? Not a lot .... They hunt primararly by scent a hound does that better ... Their soft mouthed ... ok if your only after rabbits ... Great in water ... You don't catch many rabbits in the river ... Easy to train ... So are collies ... Extra speed no ... Extra stamina no ... Good feet no ... Anything they can add conformation wise no ... Lots of inbreeding problems with hips etc ... A decent coat yes ... For me there is nothing they bring to the table that isn't already there ....... Absolutely agree. I think the best type out there would be the German Wire haired pointer to make a good all round lurcher but there is no unique pull from adding this blood the collie already brings all of it to the table and you have a higher chance of a collie cross doing the job because we have so many example of good collie crossing doing everything needed - so why take the gamble? 1 Quote Link to post
DogFox123 1,379 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 A Collie cross should do anything a Gundog Lurcher can and be quicker at doing it. 1 Quote Link to post
Allan P 1,150 Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Good point there S2H, people not willing to take a gamble and stick to tried and tested. 1 Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,546 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey ! 3 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey ! Would probably suit you for squirrel hunting! ? Quote Link to post
frankel 2,123 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellside 1 Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,546 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !Would probably suit you for squirrel hunting! ? Those squirrels are evil !! Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,546 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother me 1 Quote Link to post
gwalchmai4110 1,758 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother me oh ye owes............real handy!!! 1 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother me oh ye owes............real handy!!! A good squirrel bite and he would be off in the distance with his tail between his legs. Cowering under a bush ? 1 Quote Link to post
frankel 2,123 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother meyeah suppose so eh, just have what suits ya needs. Don't listen to me, you know yaself every dog is different. Just thought I would put my experience of this type forward. I like that hound thing of yours, very interesting dog. Would suit me on these Cumbrian fells. Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,546 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother meyeah suppose so eh, just have what suits ya needs. Don't listen to me, you know yaself every dog is different. Just thought I would put my experience of this type forward. I like that hound thing of yours, very interesting dog. Would suit me on these Cumbrian fells. Yea good and bad in all Iv got 4 here at the moment and 3 thst are no where near done so be years till I'd even think about it !! Yea that ground would suit him he's still young at the moment he hunts and finds but he's just not pin point yet buts its coming 1 Quote Link to post
Wales1234 5,546 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother me oh ye owes............real handy!!! A good squirrel bite and he would be off in the distance with his tail between his legs. Cowering under a bush ?Ahh leave the big softie alone haha Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 I would take a punt at a gwp X grey !seen a couple and they weren't that good. Not as quick as the collie lurchers on the day, and not as brave... Good hunters though in woodland and fellsideI'd have to see the parents working first like ! This foxhound X bull grey is suiting my needs at the moment great hunter and plenty of guts ! Never be a lamping dog which doesn't bother me oh ye owes............real handy!!! A good squirrel bite and he would be off in the distance with his tail between his legs. Cowering under a bush ?Ahh leave the big softie alone haha Haha you know I like him really ? Quote Link to post
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