ginger beard 4,652 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Trouble is some people are breeding dogs when they haven't been tryed and tested proply . I wouldn't breed from a dog unless he or she had at least 5 seasons under there belt and they have excelled in what they do. ............ Some dogs don't last 5 seasons their heart wants it more than their body will allow and dogs like that with serious/keen Dogmen behind them don't always last and then you wish you,d have bred from them earlier !! thats not a good trait for a dog to have.is it.? My lad lost his mutt a couple of years ago,that dog had more heart,soul,brains and commitment than most,the fecking steel rod sticking out of the ground curtailed that mutts ambition,id own another with the same traits. i've had the same when a deerhound x jumped a fallen tree and got kebabed on a branch,2 miles from home with no mobile.no choice but to walk.on way home another jumped and she still went after it.thats heart but heart aint no good if your dead. Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Some nice ones on here lads. I do like these bull crosses my young bitch is only 1/4 bull and doesn't really look like a bull cross as there is wheaten, collie and greyhound in there aswell so not a bull cross by any stretch. But I would consider one in the future if bred out of the right stuff with decent feet. I ve bred and kept half crosses , reverse 3/4 and 5/8 x 3/8 gaz and can honestly say the best all round dog I ve kept was very similar to your bitch. He was first cross dam back to a lurcher of mixed breeding with no bull in the sire. A lot of lads saw him day and night and he put a lot of stuff away.When I sadly retired him at 11 I went to the heavier type but none have held a candle to him as an all round dog.My next pup will be something similar to your bitch. Hope she turns out well Cheers Jake. Appreciate that. Her dam was bull/grey X collie/bull/grey and sire was half cross wheaten grey although a few lads who had dealings with the dog have said it was 3/4 grey 1/4 wheaten so I won't ever know for sure. I know looks mean feck all but she's turned out just how I hoped. Decent size. Good head. Racey but strong with it. Can take a knock. Good engine compartment. Good feet. Decent coat and good thick skin. She is as keen as mustard and the most loyal dog I've owned yet. She's seen very little so I can't say how she's gonna turn out or even if she will make the grade but the few nights I took her out last season she did the job and really impressed me for a young bitch learning her trade. She's also took to the daytime mooching really well and knows to stick by the bushing dogs. So I've got high hopes and got my fingers crossed. Would the Collie,Wheaten and Grey have a bigger influence on that sapling over and above the Bull?.Im not looking for an argument yet firmly believe the more diluted the bull influence is,the better the dog performs. 1 Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Some nice ones on here lads. I do like these bull crosses my young bitch is only 1/4 bull and doesn't really look like a bull cross as there is wheaten, collie and greyhound in there aswell so not a bull cross by any stretch. But I would consider one in the future if bred out of the right stuff with decent feet. I ve bred and kept half crosses , reverse 3/4 and 5/8 x 3/8 gaz and can honestly say the best all round dog I ve kept was very similar to your bitch. He was first cross dam back to a lurcher of mixed breeding with no bull in the sire. A lot of lads saw him day and night and he put a lot of stuff away.When I sadly retired him at 11 I went to the heavier type but none have held a candle to him as an all round dog.My next pup will be something similar to your bitch. Hope she turns out wellCheers Jake. Appreciate that. Her dam was bull/grey X collie/bull/grey and sire was half cross wheaten grey although a few lads who had dealings with the dog have said it was 3/4 grey 1/4 wheaten so I won't ever know for sure. I know looks mean feck all but she's turned out just how I hoped. Decent size. Good head. Racey but strong with it. Can take a knock. Good engine compartment. Good feet. Decent coat and good thick skin. She is as keen as mustard and the most loyal dog I've owned yet. She's seen very little so I can't say how she's gonna turn out or even if she will make the grade but the few nights I took her out last season she did the job and really impressed me for a young bitch learning her trade. She's also took to the daytime mooching really well and knows to stick by the bushing dogs. So I've got high hopes and got my fingers crossed. Would the Collie,Wheaten and Grey have a bigger influence on that sapling over and above the Bull?.Im not looking for an argument yet firmly believe the more diluted the bull influence is,the better the dog performs. Your guess is as good as mine fella. Genetics a funny old thing. As I said earlier she's far from a bull cross. Just a bitza with bull blood in there. 1 Quote Link to post
ginger beard 4,652 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Trouble is some people are breeding dogs when they haven't been tryed and tested proply . I wouldn't breed from a dog unless he or she had at least 5 seasons under there belt and they have excelled in what they do. ............ Some dogs don't last 5 seasons their heart wants it more than their body will allow and dogs like that with serious/keen Dogmen behind them don't always last and then you wish you,d have bred from them earlier !! thats not a good trait for a dog to have.is it.? My lad lost his mutt a couple of years ago,that dog had more heart,soul,brains and commitment than most,the fecking steel rod sticking out of the ground curtailed that mutts ambition,id own another with the same traits. i've had the same when a deerhound x jumped a fallen tree and got kebabed on a branch,2 miles from home with no mobile.no choice but to walk.on way home another jumped and she still went after it.thats heart but heart aint no good if your dead. she had to be put down because of her injuries. Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Trouble is some people are breeding dogs when they haven't been tryed and tested proply . I wouldn't breed from a dog unless he or she had at least 5 seasons under there belt and they have excelled in what they do. ............ Some dogs don't last 5 seasons their heart wants it more than their body will allow and dogs like that with serious/keen Dogmen behind them don't always last and then you wish you,d have bred from them earlier !! thats not a good trait for a dog to have.is it.? My lad lost his mutt a couple of years ago,that dog had more heart,soul,brains and commitment than most,the fecking steel rod sticking out of the ground curtailed that mutts ambition,id own another with the same traits. i've had the same when a deerhound x jumped a fallen tree and got kebabed on a branch,2 miles from home with no mobile.no choice but to walk.on way home another jumped and she still went after it.thats heart but heart aint no good if your dead. It reads well engraved on a tombstone,its a b*****d in reality.That dogs ancestry served me well for many,many,many a year,then in less than 3 years i lost more than id lost in 20,sods law,id have my losses back tomorrow and another day id not have lost them,again fecking sods law.A dog with no heart id lose and not shed a tear,im at my lowest ever working lurcher ebb with the most recent loss,i wish i could find the heart,soul and commitment that useless mutt owned. 1 Quote Link to post
jake824 517 Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Some nice ones on here lads. I do like these bull crosses my young bitch is only 1/4 bull and doesn't really look like a bull cross as there is wheaten, collie and greyhound in there aswell so not a bull cross by any stretch. But I would consider one in the future if bred out of the right stuff with decent feet. I ve bred and kept half crosses , reverse 3/4 and 5/8 x 3/8 gaz and can honestly say the best all round dog I ve kept was very similar to your bitch. He was first cross dam back to a lurcher of mixed breeding with no bull in the sire. A lot of lads saw him day and night and he put a lot of stuff away.When I sadly retired him at 11 I went to the heavier type but none have held a candle to him as an all round dog.My next pup will be something similar to your bitch. Hope she turns out wellCheers Jake. Appreciate that. Her dam was bull/grey X collie/bull/grey and sire was half cross wheaten grey although a few lads who had dealings with the dog have said it was 3/4 grey 1/4 wheaten so I won't ever know for sure. I know looks mean feck all but she's turned out just how I hoped. Decent size. Good head. Racey but strong with it. Can take a knock. Good engine compartment. Good feet. Decent coat and good thick skin. She is as keen as mustard and the most loyal dog I've owned yet. She's seen very little so I can't say how she's gonna turn out or even if she will make the grade but the few nights I took her out last season she did the job and really impressed me for a young bitch learning her trade. She's also took to the daytime mooching really well and knows to stick by the bushing dogs. So I've got high hopes and got my fingers crossed. Would the Collie,Wheaten and Grey have a bigger influence on that sapling over and above the Bull?.Im not looking for an argument yet firmly believe the more diluted the bull influence is,the better the dog performs.I have to agree with u there. The more bull I bred in slowed them considerably and not because they were heavier dogs , cos we always kept the raciest type as pups. But they did blow quicker and were nt as steady with stock as before. I ve gone back to what I kept 20 year ago and am looking forward to hopefully having a good all round animal. The bull blood is still there but is used sparingly this time . Fingers crossed 1 Quote Link to post
flipbull 1,139 Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Crackin pic that Quote Link to post
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Marvel 469 Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 Trouble is some people are breeding dogs when they haven't been tryed and tested proply . I wouldn't breed from a dog unless he or she had at least 5 seasons under there belt and they have excelled in what they do. ............ Some dogs don't last 5 seasons their heart wants it more than their body will allow and dogs like that with serious/keen Dogmen behind them don't always last and then you wish you,d have bred from them earlier !! thats not a good trait for a dog to have.is it.? My lad lost his mutt a couple of years ago,that dog had more heart,soul,brains and commitment than most,the fecking steel rod sticking out of the ground curtailed that mutts ambition,id own another with the same traits. i've had the same when a deerhound x jumped a fallen tree and got kebabed on a branch,2 miles from home with no mobile.no choice but to walk.on way home another jumped and she still went after it.thats heart but heart aint no good if your dead. It reads well engraved on a tombstone,its a b*****d in reality.That dogs ancestry served me well for many,many,many a year,then in less than 3 years i lost more than id lost in 20,sods law,id have my losses back tomorrow and another day id not have lost them,again fecking sods law.A dog with no heart id lose and not shed a tear,im at my lowest ever working lurcher ebb with the most recent loss,i wish i could find the heart,soul and commitment that useless mutt owned. If my memory serves me right Morton did you not just breed a litter the last 18 month/2 year, why don't you track down some of your pups and keep your line going that way, cheer up man Quote Link to post
bobby2 327 Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpgalrite mate are they related to grip like them all but I do really like the black one Quote Link to post
dark-destroyer-85 636 Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg black ones a cracker I like him Quote Link to post
Marvel 469 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg Are they half crosses? Quote Link to post
lurcher power 86 Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpgalrite mate are they related to grip like them all but I do really like the black oneyes thay related to grip Quote Link to post
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