3 Yr Old Killed By Dog In Essex Yesterday.

[downsouth 7,283]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had a American bulldog come from Oxford way a big strong dog pulled me over a couple of times when out hunting he would go through bushes like a spaniel he took a few different types of game he got in a few tussles as well but never got hurt and he was bomb proof never so much as a funny look to any person but I wouldn't have another one to many people breeding rubbish and I wouldn't want the worry of it biting someone

I had a bitch imported direct from Alan Scott who was as good an alrounder as you could want and have seen a few very good dogs over the years but unfortunately the shit ones far outnumber even the average ones.If I was going to get another one which I'm not there is only 2 breeders in the UK that I would consider getting one from.

The same Alan Scott who added Pitbull to his dogs to try make a name for himself? Some breed that AB.....

His dogs had it in them right from the start.

Exactly, just another puppy peddler making his name off the work of others..

Yes he was just another peddler in the end but no different to most of the game dog fanciers out there.Them yanks would all sell their mother if the money was right.

From the little i know about those bulldogs they were a working breed brought over here to not work......that never ends well regardless of the breed......at least a good percentage of the gamedogs that were originally brought over here were brought over to do the job they was bred to do.

Mate 90% of the American Bulldogs that came over hadn't seen work in generations and once they started getting bred her the percentage got even higher.I wasn't arguing the side of the AB because I know most of them are rubbish And yes maybe the firs game bulldogs were bought over to work but that didn't last for long especially when old Ed got in on it.

My only point was i dont think its a fair comparison to make i remember all the videos and sales patter them American Bulldogs were getting based on their hog catching ability particularly those Scott dogs to which people imported them to be manstoppers and pets whereas a good amount of gamedogs were imported for the purpose they were bred ok there will always be peddlers in any breed that becomes popular but to import large numbers of a working breed with no intention of working them is taking the piss in my opinion.

That's all it was though sales patter.The vast majority of ABs that were being marketed as Scott dogs were nothing of the sort.Ive owned both breeds and to be honest the pure Scott/Sandvally bit that I owned was far better suited to a duel purpose pet-working dog than the game bred dogs that I owned.To be fair I don't think either are suitable aspects for somebody who has no understanding of the breeds.

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had a American bulldog come from Oxford way a big strong dog pulled me over a couple of times when out hunting he would go through bushes like a spaniel he took a few different types of game he got in a few tussles as well but never got hurt and he was bomb proof never so much as a funny look to any person but I wouldn't have another one to many people breeding rubbish and I wouldn't want the worry of it biting someone

I had a bitch imported direct from Alan Scott who was as good an alrounder as you could want and have seen a few very good dogs over the years but unfortunately the shit ones far outnumber even the average ones.If I was going to get another one which I'm not there is only 2 breeders in the UK that I would consider getting one from.

The same Alan Scott who added Pitbull to his dogs to try make a name for himself? Some breed that AB.....

His dogs had it in them right from the start.

Exactly, just another puppy peddler making his name off the work of others..

Yes he was just another peddler in the end but no different to most of the game dog fanciers out there.Them yanks would all sell their mother if the money was right.

From the little i know about those bulldogs they were a working breed brought over here to not work......that never ends well regardless of the breed......at least a good percentage of the gamedogs that were originally brought over here were brought over to do the job they was bred to do.

Mate 90% of the American Bulldogs that came over hadn't seen work in generations and once they started getting bred her the percentage got even higher.I wasn't arguing the side of the AB because I know most of them are rubbish And yes maybe the firs game bulldogs were bought over to work but that didn't last for long especially when old Ed got in on it.

 

Old Ed was behind a lot of the best bulldogs seen on these Isles

 

Reid imported sold and nailed his name on them...but the man really 'behind' them dogs was Glen Stubblefield imo

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

That's all it was though sales patter.The vast majority of ABs that were being marketed as Scott dogs were nothing of the sort.Ive owned both breeds and to be honest the pure Scott/Sandvally bit that I owned was far better suited to a duel purpose pet-working dog than the game bred dogs that I owned.To be fair I don't think either are suitable aspects for somebody who has no understanding of the breeds.

 

Think your missing my point mate what im saying is many people were importing a Mayfield or a Patrick pit bull for working reasons......people were not importing a Scott or Painter American Bulldog for working reasons so what difference did the bloodline really matter.

 

For what its worth i dont think any of them made suitable pets they were the wrong breeds at the wrong time in the wrong country......just my belief.

Edited August 21, 2016 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

Reid imported sold and nailed his name on them...but the man really 'behind' them dogs was Glen Stubblefield imo

 

Just out of curiosity what would make you feel Stubblefield was any more responsible for the success of the Reid/Kingfish dogs than say Gary Hammonds was responsible for the success of the Nelis/Tug dogs ?......or have i misunderstood what you said.

Edited August 21, 2016 by gnasher16

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Reid did the breeding so that counted so surely he should get the credit...no ?

[Greengrass 201]

That was,nt directed at you gnasher, I agree 100% with what you say

[gnasher16 30,121]

I agree....to me the only people that can claim success on a dog is the breeder and the handler/conditioner.........otherwise we might as well put the success of the majority of the worlds American Pit Bull Terriers down to Earl Tudor !

[downsouth 7,283]

 

 

That's all it was though sales patter.The vast majority of ABs that were being marketed as Scott dogs were nothing of the sort.Ive owned both breeds and to be honest the pure Scott/Sandvally bit that I owned was far better suited to a duel purpose pet-working dog than the game bred dogs that I owned.To be fair I don't think either are suitable aspects for somebody who has no understanding of the breeds.

 

Think your missing my point mate what im saying is many people were importing a Mayfield or a Patrick pit bull for working reasons......people were not importing a Scott or Painter American Bulldog for working reasons so what difference did the bloodline really matter.

 

For what its worth i dont think any of them made suitable pets they were the wrong breeds at the wrong time in the wrong country......just my belief.

Make you right.But unfortunately where there's unsuitable people and idiots wanting these dogs they'll always be unscrupulous c**ts willing to provide them.

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

 

 

Reid imported sold and nailed his name on them...but the man really 'behind' them dogs was Glen Stubblefield imo

 

Just out of curiosity what would make you feel Stubblefield was any more responsible for the success of the Reid/Kingfish dogs than say Gary Hammonds was responsible for the success of the Nelis/Tug dogs ?......or have i misunderstood what you said.

 

Stubblefield bred Skipper and gifted/sent him over with a bitch...the kingfish blood was the real strenght behind Reids dogs...if Stubblefield hadnt of sent em over would we be talking about Reid today?...Stubblefield worked his dogs Reid didnt... he just sold them (mainly to pet homes)...im not gonna bash the old fella...it is what it was...i think getting Skipper was more luck than judgement on Reids part...just the way i see it...but a thread about the death of a kid probably not the place to discuss it?...so night all

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

 

 

 

 

Reid imported sold and nailed his name on them...but the man really 'behind' them dogs was Glen Stubblefield imo

 

Just out of curiosity what would make you feel Stubblefield was any more responsible for the success of the Reid/Kingfish dogs than say Gary Hammonds was responsible for the success of the Nelis/Tug dogs ?......or have i misunderstood what you said.

Stubblefield bred Skipper and gifted/sent him over with a bitch...the kingfish blood was the real strenght behind Reids dogs...if Stubblefield hadnt of sent em over would we be talking about Reid today?...Stubblefield worked his dogs Reid didnt... he just sold them (mainly to pet homes)...im not gonna bash the old fella...it is what it was...i think getting Skipper was more luck than judgement on Reids part...just the way i see it...but a thread about the death of a kid probably not the place to discuss it?...so night all

The Skipper dogs were very impressive animals, competed and beat some of the best in the UK which at that times was just as good if not better than Europe, certainly better than the "purist of purist" stuff from Mayfield...

 

He really didn't have a family of dogs per se but he made some crosses that worked very well. What people did later with his dogs isn't Reid's fault. He bred quite a few champions, he did something right IMO....

Edited August 22, 2016 by DogFox123

[WILF 46,817]

I'd say the vast majority of AB and APBT owners are over dogged, they like the idea of the dog but in fact it's too much dog for them.

I would certainly never have one much as I like APBT because I know it's too much dog for me and my circumstances.......those dogs were bred for one thing and they need an outlet.

I wouldn't consider them a pet.

 

Downsouths dog was a lovely friendly animal when I met it but in different hands it may have been a different story.......I reckon you need to be an enthusiast rather than a pet owner.

Jmho

[bird 9,911]

I'd say the vast majority of AB and APBT owners are over dogged, they like the idea of the dog but in fact it's too much dog for them.

I would certainly never have one much as I like APBT because I know it's too much dog for me and my circumstances.......those dogs were bred for one thing and they need an outlet.

I wouldn't consider them a pet.

 

Downsouths dog was a lovely friendly animal when I met it but in different hands it may have been a different story.......I reckon you need to be an enthusiast rather than a pet owner.

Jmho

true wilf, you can never relax with them, you carnt switch off with them like you could with little mongrel from the pound. i was brought up with bull breeds, our last one was reid bitch , she had great temp , better than some of bullmastiffs we've had back then, but as you say its in them i wouldnt call them pet type dogs, you carnt beat a lurcher for good honest temps, as anything with greyhound or whippet in its make up will give nice/safe nature

[WILF 46,817]

I think of it like this mate, most people can drive a car but they couldn't drive a formula 1 car.......it's a specialist bit of kit and not your every day run around.

[Craic 203]

Those type of dogs around the wrong type of people, is kinda like leaving a loaded gun in a room full of kids, jmho

[gnasher16 30,121]

 

 

 

Reid imported sold and nailed his name on them...but the man really 'behind' them dogs was Glen Stubblefield imo

 

Just out of curiosity what would make you feel Stubblefield was any more responsible for the success of the Reid/Kingfish dogs than say Gary Hammonds was responsible for the success of the Nelis/Tug dogs ?......or have i misunderstood what you said.

 

Stubblefield bred Skipper and gifted/sent him over with a bitch...the kingfish blood was the real strenght behind Reids dogs...if Stubblefield hadnt of sent em over would we be talking about Reid today?...Stubblefield worked his dogs Reid didnt... he just sold them (mainly to pet homes)...im not gonna bash the old fella...it is what it was...i think getting Skipper was more luck than judgement on Reids part...just the way i see it...but a thread about the death of a kid probably not the place to discuss it?...so night all

 

Well you started it ! ...........the stuff down from Kingfish was basically Mason/Neblett blood it could be argued that Bob Wise,s contribution did more for the Reid dogs than Stubblefield virtually every bitch Reid bred came through Wise blood...... as we have seen since over many years the Colby dogs pure never held a light to the Dibo dogs so it could be argued that Capone was the best bred dog Reid ever owned he just didnt realise it at the time which kind of shows his limitations as a breeder..........but then hindsite still shouldnt stop a man getting the credit he is due in my opinion.

Edited August 22, 2016 by gnasher16