Mother Jailed For Making Children Have Surgery .

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Maybe if you'd worked harder at school you'd be in their position ? (And yes I know you have no idea what you do), I've seen many many good doctors, for what they do they aren't paid enough and aren't given the credit for the continuous extra miles they go!

 

From working with kids in care ATM it's very likely those poor children will be severely damaged after an upbringing like that

 

I wouldn't want to be in their position. I know there are many great doctors, nurses, and front line staff, but there are also many that are there to fill the docket and run the clock down. If you've worked in the machine you know who they are, what they don't do, and probably what weeks they're going to take sick each year (usually Dec 20th - Jan 5th, if you were wondering.)

 

Nobody gets into the NHS with an astronomical salary in mind, same as with teaching, but if financial compensation is an issue then they should be looking at other options. At the very least it should be merit based, and that's just another argument for privatisation, IMO.

 

This woman was finally punished but if you're familiar with the system just how many medical professionals were they passed through? We hear about people slipping through the cracks all the time but the NHS employs 1.7 million people making them the 5th largest employer in the world! That's 200,000 less than McDonalds employs globally, and only 500,000 than the People's Liberation Army!

 

If you break that down 1 in 38 people, in the UK, work for the NHS in some capacity!

 

We're reading stories all the time about medical malpractice, waiting lines, and failure of basic services. I've known people, personally, that have died in dirty hospitals through secondary infections.

 

If front line staff are understaffed and cannot cope with the demand then what exactly are the rest of the NHS doing, with the astronomical amount of money supplied by the British taxpayer?

Edited August 16, 2016 by ChrisJones

[Nik_B 3,790]

 

 

This is a quote from the full BBC article...

 

Dr Eveline Knight-Jones, who prepared the paediatric overview for the trial, said: "In London it is all too easy for fabricated illness cases to attend several different hospitals some distance from their local hospital, because there are so many hospitals, particularly specialist hospitals."

 

Most of the health professionals the children saw took what the mother said about them "at face value," the court heard.

Jurors were told the mother was "resistant" to attempts to investigate the causes of the alleged symptoms and refused to allow one child to be admitted to hospital for a two-week review.

The defence claimed she suffered from a severe anxiety disorder, which caused her to "catastrophise" and overstate her children's medical symptoms.

Common or not how the f**k does this slip through multiple medical professionals? You refuse the doctor's request for a review, and he says 'F*ck it lets operate.'

 

But it's free, right?

Too busy counting the days where they can retire on their pop star pensions or moaning about having to work the odd weekend.

Maybe if you'd worked harder at school you'd be in their position ? (And yes I know you have no idea what you do), I've seen many many good doctors, for what they do they aren't paid enough and aren't given the credit for the continuous extra miles they go!

 

From working with kids in care ATM it's very likely those poor children will be severely damaged after an upbringing like that

I work just as hard but I don't expect yuu or anyone else to pay for my pension. The days of public sector index linked pensions need to come to an end. In the old days teachers doctods etc were paid peanuts...that's why they got good pensions. Now doctors are retiring on ,000 a year all paid for by the tax payer while we can't afford to put money in our own pension. They all earn enough to be able to pay their own pensions the public should not pay for any of them except the low paid public sector workers.

[Nik_B 3,790]

Chris the public sector do earn very good money these days. Teachers can end up on 40k, police the same and can retire very early. Management in the public sector pays more than the private sector and has done for years. Doctors will earn loads once they are fully qualified and especially if they go down the go practice route.

[Lloyd90 509]

Regardless of public vs private, the way the NHS is going the services are constantly being cut! It either needs a massive funds injection or a change of what services it provides, otherwise it won't survive!

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Chris the public sector do earn very good money these days. Teachers can end up on 40k, police the same and can retire very early. Management in the public sector pays more than the private sector and has done for years. Doctors will earn loads once they are fully qualified and especially if they go down the go practice route.

 

My issue isn't so much with the salary of talented individuals, it's battalions of wasters that are suckling at the public teat! We hear constantly that they're understaffed and can't keep up with demand. As I said previously the NHS is the 5th largest global employer, there should be serious scrutiny of why they cannot keep up with demand.

 

Regardless of public vs private, the way the NHS is going the services are constantly being cut! It either needs a massive funds injection or a change of what services it provides, otherwise it won't survive!

 

Again why? They produce nothing. By that I mean they are a 100% tax payer funded service, and do not offer goods or services that they charge £'s for. 1.7million people are gainfully employed, in this organisation, at 100% cost to the British taxpayer, yet they still cannot manage their money. If they were a private sector business they would have been bankrupted decades ago but that cannot happen when your stealth taxes disappear into the maelstrom that is public sector funding.

 

If it was slightly struggling I'd probably a agree with a cash injection, but seeing how these magicians make the money disappear I'll double down and say it needs a radical overhaul at least, although I believe privatisation is a better option.

 

It will survive. It's 100% shored up by the British taxpayer and it's political suicide to dare to reform the NHS. In the meantime the stories will get reported. Money will be stolen. Standards will fall. Costs will rise. Shoddy workmanship will be tolerated. Everyone will shrug their shoulders and wonder why 10 years from now we're still having the same discussion.

 

You have to admit though. A woman insisting that her kids are sick, being able to overrule medical professionals all the way from ground level right up to surgeons, is not the way the system should be. Yet it happens all the time.

 

You paid for the healthcare. You paid her benefits. You're now paying for her incarceration. The people who's salaries you paid, failed to diagnose that she was bullshitting. You paid for their diagnosis, and you're still paying their salaries because none of them will ever be reprimanded over the affair.

 

Are you okay with this?

Edited August 16, 2016 by ChrisJones

[shepp 2,285]

 

Chris the public sector do earn very good money these days. Teachers can end up on 40k, police the same and can retire very early. Management in the public sector pays more than the private sector and has done for years. Doctors will earn loads once they are fully qualified and especially if they go down the go practice route.

 

My issue isn't so much with the salary of talented individuals, it's battalions of wasters that are suckling at the public teat! We hear constantly that they're understaffed and can't keep up with demand. As I said previously the NHS is the 5th largest global employer, there should be serious scrutiny of why they cannot keep up with demand.

 

Regardless of public vs private, the way the NHS is going the services are constantly being cut! It either needs a massive funds injection or a change of what services it provides, otherwise it won't survive!

 

Again why? They produce nothing. By that I mean they are a 100% tax payer funded service. 1.7million people are gainfully employed, in this organisation, at 100% cost to the British taxpayer, yet they still cannot manage their money. If they were a private sector business they would have been bankrupted decades ago but that cannot happen when your stealth taxes disappear into the maelstrom that is public sector funding.

 

If it was slightly struggling I'd probably a agree with a cash injection, but seeing how these magicians make the money disappear I'll double down and say it needs a radical overhaul at least, although I believe privatisation is a better option.

 

It will survive. It's 100% shored up by the British taxpayer and it's political suicide to dare to reform the NHS. In the meantime the stories will get reported. Money will be stolen. Standards will fall. Costs will rise. Shoddy workmanship will be tolerated. Everyone will shrug their shoulders and wonder why 10 years from now we're still having the same discussion.

 

You have to admit though. A woman insisting that her kids are sick, being able to overrule medical professionals all the way from ground level right up to surgeons, is not the way the system should be. Yet it happens all the time.

 

You paid for the healthcare. You paid her benefits. You're now paying for her incarceration. The people who's salaries you paid, failed to diagnose that she was bullshitting. You paid for their diagnosis, and you're still paying their salaries because none of them will ever be reprimanded over the affair.

 

Are you okay with this?

What do you think about health care spending in the US, when compared with GDP to other countries?

 

http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/health-care-spending-compared

[ChrisJones 7,975]

What do you think about health care spending in the US, when compared with GDP to other countries?

 

http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/health-care-spending-compared

 

It's an absolute joke. What's your point?

[shepp 2,285]

 

What do you think about health care spending in the US, when compared with GDP to other countries?http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/health-care-spending-compared

 

It's an absolute joke. What's your point?

Well you appear to be a fan of privately funded health care systems, but the example of one of the most privately funded appears to be poor value for money.

I know the public sector provides thousands of jobs for the terminally lazy, but then again the private sector provides the opportunity for the rich to become even richer, with minimal effort.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Well you appear to be a fan of privately funded health care systems, but the example of one of the most privately funded appears to be poor value for money.

I know the public sector provides thousands of jobs for the terminally lazy, but then again the private sector provides the opportunity for the rich to become even richer, with minimal effort.

 

Why is it poor value for money?

 

Your own signature reads 'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money' a quote from Margaret Thatcher. As the NHS is practically the flagship of British socialism how does that sit with your version of value for money?

 

Back to the original article though. Do you think it's acceptable for this woman to overrule medical professionals at every step along the way? Are you in favour of the system that supports this behaviour?

 

If yes, why?

 

If no what is your alternative?

[stealthy1 3,964]

I'm starting to wonder how many other kids there are in the same position, surely the mother didn't dream this up on her own.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

I'm starting to wonder how many other kids there are in the same position, surely the mother didn't dream this up on her own.

 

She's the first to be caught, tried, and convicted. Are there any more abusing the system?

 

Absolutely.

[Nik_B 3,790]

I'm starting to wonder how many other kids there are in the same position, surely the mother didn't dream this up on her own.

Quite a lot mate. The person I asked about this last night is a teacher who deals with these kind of things. They have two peope in their sights in one school who both do this....and that's just one school.

[shepp 2,285]

 

Well you appear to be a fan of privately funded health care systems, but the example of one of the most privately funded appears to be poor value for money.

I know the public sector provides thousands of jobs for the terminally lazy, but then again the private sector provides the opportunity for the rich to become even richer, with minimal effort.

 

Why is it poor value for money?

 

Your own signature reads 'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money' a quote from Margaret Thatcher. As the NHS is practically the flagship of British socialism how does that sit with your version of value for money?

 

Back to the original article though. Do you think it's acceptable for this woman to overrule medical professionals at every step along the way? Are you in favour of the system that supports this behaviour?

 

If yes, why?

 

If no what is your alternative?

Ban immigration from Nigeria lol