Pure Saluki Pups, Ireland ?

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

i think only a fool would believe that a pure could be on par with a purpose bred coursing dog,

I think an even bigger fool would think they can improve a pure breed thats been hunting/coursing for over 6,000 years but hey ho crack on with your dreams. Wonder why dog pounds are full of these failed attempts at line bred coursing dogs ?

 

6000 years it only took 30 over here to improve them

 

Stay off the wacky baccy the phrase iron ball and f**k up comes to mind,

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think only a fool would believe that a pure could be on par with a purpose bred coursing dog,

I think an even bigger fool would think they can improve a pure breed thats been hunting/coursing for over 6,000 years but hey ho crack on with your dreams. Wonder why dog pounds are full of these failed attempts at line bred coursing dogs ?

6000 years it only took 30 over here to improve them

Stay off the wacky baccy the phrase iron ball and f**k up comes to mind,

Lmao desertbred these lads aren't even keen anglers but they are getting some bites off you ?

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

i think only a fool would believe that a pure could be on par with a purpose bred coursing dog,

I think an even bigger fool would think they can improve a pure breed thats been hunting/coursing for over 6,000 years but hey ho crack on with your dreams. Wonder why dog pounds are full of these failed attempts at line bred coursing dogs ?

6000 years it only took 30 over here to improve them

Stay off the wacky baccy the phrase iron ball and f**k up comes to mind,

Lmao desertbred these lads aren't even keen anglers but they are getting some bites off you

 

Whose getting more bites them of me singular or me off all of them plural including you LOL AND i come out in front every time

Edited August 11, 2016 by desertbred

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think only a fool would believe that a pure could be on par with a purpose bred coursing dog,

I think an even bigger fool would think they can improve a pure breed thats been hunting/coursing for over 6,000 years but hey ho crack on with your dreams. Wonder why dog pounds are full of these failed attempts at line bred coursing dogs ?

6000 years it only took 30 over here to improve them

Stay off the wacky baccy the phrase iron ball and f**k up comes to mind,

Lmao desertbred these lads aren't even keen anglers but they are getting some bites off you

Whose getting more bites them of me singular or me off all of them plural LOL

We know you aren't really fishing DB. Fair play for standing by your opinion though. Would be a boring world if we all thought the same.

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think only a fool would believe that a pure could be on par with a purpose bred coursing dog,

I think an even bigger fool would think they can improve a pure breed thats been hunting/coursing for over 6,000 years but hey ho crack on with your dreams. Wonder why dog pounds are full of these failed attempts at line bred coursing dogs ?

6000 years it only took 30 over here to improve them

Stay off the wacky baccy the phrase iron ball and f**k up comes to mind,

Lmao desertbred these lads aren't even keen anglers but they are getting some bites off you

Whose getting more bites them of me singular or me off all of them plural LOL

We know you aren't really fishing DB. Fair play for standing by your opinion though. Would be a boring world if we all thought the same.

 

Wrong wrong wrong, wasnt it another Middle Eastener who was "A Fisher of Men" as well

[Saluki71 110]

Chill out all, I no not everyone sees things the same way it would be boring if we did. I know from first hand experience from being involved with the forley cup the attributes of both, but the fact remains that nowhere near as many pure Salukis have been run in the forley cup as crossbred dogs, so we don't have a big enough pool to judge from. Also I know that the saluki coursing club kept a lot of the imported bloodlines away from lurcher people. I have run pures and crosses for over 30 years and from what I've seen from mine and others is that a really really good saluki will have more longevity, you only get hybrid vigour from two pures and no more. It's only my opinion but I would have a pure saluki over a cross any day, it's hard to explain to someone who's never had a purebred and also the right lines as well.

Salukis are not for everyone but each to his own, I wouldn't call anybody or their dog because I couldn't get on with a particular breed.

Like I said at the beginning each to his or her own.

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think only a fool would believe that a pure could be on par with a purpose bred coursing dog,

I think an even bigger fool would think they can improve a pure breed thats been hunting/coursing for over 6,000 years but hey ho crack on with your dreams. Wonder why dog pounds are full of these failed attempts at line bred coursing dogs ?

6000 years it only took 30 over here to impro

Stay off the wacky baccy the phrase iron ball and f**k up comes to mind,

Lmao desertbred these lads aren't even keen anglers but they are getting some bites off you

 

Whose getting more bites them of me singular or me off all of them plural including you LOL AND i come out in front every time

 

Pity the saluki didn't come out on front every time as well

Pretty witty considering your Avatar shows Scotland , Do you have running dogs up there or just the English discards not looking for an argument a serious question.

Edited August 11, 2016 by desertbred

[Greyman 28,883]

Hybrid vigour is a genetic fact, used by many breeders of livestock, it's not an insult, it just is what it is, you only need to look at the state of most of our pedigree dogs to know it don't work, and they could all do with a bit of outcrossing every so many generations, even many of the worlds best athletes are of mixed race, dont beat yourself up about it db, I,m sure your dogs are fantastic for you and what you do as are mine for me and what I do, like most of us we all think are,s are best, but in truth they could all be improved on, and if and when any of us create the perfect dog we will probably all give up,

[desertbred 5,490]

Hybrid vigour is a genetic fact, used by many breeders of livestock, it's not an insult, it just is what it is, you only need to look at the state of most of our pedigree dogs to know it don't work, and they could all do with a bit of outcrossing every so many generations, even many of the worlds best athletes are of mixed race, dont beat yourself up about it db, I,m sure your dogs are fantastic for you and what you do as are mine for me and what I do, like most of us we all think are,s are best, but in truth they could all be improved on, and if and when any of us create the perfect dog we will probably all give up,

You all seem very concerned about my dogs no need. Concentrate on your own stock and improve them .your the ones who want to cross this to that and need to introduce vigour not me, what do they say the grass is always greener.

Edited August 11, 2016 by desertbred

[forest of dean redneck 11,707]

DB ain't Salukis just different types of running dogs from Arab and North African lands that proved themselfs then were bred from ?

There are a few differing looks to the Saluki are they not ?

So ain't the Saluki just a lurcher from the Middle East and North Africa ?

So you would prob get the fabled hybrid vigour by just crossing Salukis from different areas thus differing strains .

Now you gone an done it lol

I suppose really it's like jack russell or border collies ,varying types within the breed?

[desertbred 5,490]

DB ain't Salukis just different types of running dogs from Arab and North African lands that proved themselfs then were bred from ?

There are a few differing looks to the Saluki are they not ?

So ain't the Saluki just a lurcher from the Middle East and North Africa ?

So you would prob get the fabled hybrid vigour by just crossing Salukis from different areas thus differing strains .

Saluki is saluki Max DNA and Carbon dating have shown its history even the Hyrogliphics and wall paintings of ancient Civilisations show the breed. Over time due to genetic s and possibly environment things like length of face etc have changed look at Iraqi and Syrian lines smaller stature and shorter snouts but still structurally same destintive skeletal system compared say to North Africa and Khurdistan saluki which have longer faces but still pure saluki. Look at feathered and pure shave out a feathered he is still a saluki underneath, The Azawakhs of North Africa, The Borzoi of the Steps of Russia, The Afghan hounds of Afghanistan /Khazakstan/Uzbekistan all are seperate and destinctive breeds.. A saluki isnt a Lurcher Max as you well know no matter how you want to paint it go argue with Geneologists, Anthropologists etc they have the proof. Salukis will slighly adapt to climatic and environmental conditions over 6,000 years as to coat length texture and even colour the hotter the climate the lighter the coat colour the colder the thicker and darker the coat pigment.but not that much hence the proven purity of the saluki breed skeletal comparisons heart size etc all debunk the theories even some scientists even despute the all dogs descend from wolves theory.Max your from the North East does that make you a different breed to a Yorkshire Man? LOL

Edited August 11, 2016 by desertbred

[Gilbey 1,465]

 

DB ain't Salukis just different types of running dogs from Arab and North African lands that proved themselfs then were bred from ?

There are a few differing looks to the Saluki are they not ?

So ain't the Saluki just a lurcher from the Middle East and North Africa ?

So you would prob get the fabled hybrid vigour by just crossing Salukis from different areas thus differing strains .

 

Saluki is saluki Max DNA and Carbon dating have shown its history even the Hyrogliphics and wall paintings of ancient Civilisations show the breed. Over time due to genetic s and possibly environment things like length of face etc have changed look at Iraqi and Syrian lines smaller stature and shorter snouts but still structurally same destintive skeletal system compared say to North Africa and Khurdistan saluki which have longer faces but still pure saluki. Look at feathered and pure shave out a feathered he is still a saluki underneath, The Azawakhs of North Africa, The Borzoi of the Steps of Russia, The Afghan hounds of Afghanistan /Khazakstan/Uzbekistan all are seperate and destinctive breeds.. A saluki isnt a Lurcher Max as you well know no matter how you want to paint it go argue with Geneologists, Anthropologists etc they have the proof. Salukis will slighly adapt to climatic and environmental conditions over 6,000 years as to coat length texture and even colour the hotter the climate the lighter the coat colour the colder the thicker and darker the coat pigment.but not that much hence the proven purity of the saluki breed skeletal comparisons heart size etc all debunk the theories even some scientists even despute the all dogs descend from wolves theory.Max your from the North East does that make you a different breed to a Yorkshire Man? LOL

don't they think sals came from the Asian wolf which is more of a lone hunter? And that's why there different to other dogs?

[low plains drifter 10,700]

Getting a bit silly this really, there is no best dog for everything anyone with half a brain knows that, it's as simple as this there are good individual dogs and owners in al areas of the dog game ,some types and lines of dogs excel at certain types of game and add well too the gene pool of other types along the way some although useful in the past cease too become useful in the future but there's nothing too stop people reaching back and trying again if that's there wish

Good words mate, we used to have some fun with the 3/4 greyhounds, and other lurcher to lurcher crosses years ago, and it would be interesting to see some of these running again, but when you are limited to the amount of dogs you can run, you have to make your choice, and it's hard to overlook the obvious choice, like other people have mentioned in the past, the work has been done for us by the keen lads over recent decades

[Gilbey 1,465]

Anyone planning a pure litter in Ireland lol

[Saluki71 110]

When the drax cup was run during the 70s deerhound/greyhounds were used and thought to be the best, then in the very early 80s a saluki turned up and wiped the floor with them, because of the way Salukis run people thought they were plodders when actually they have been clocked at over 42mph and so they thought they would breed them to greyhounds so as to make the pups faster but a lot of the pups grew up to be not fast enough or fast enough with not enough stamina, shows hybrid vigour doesn't always work. Paul sagars Annie ran against many crossbreds and beat all. Mostly it depends who owns the dog and not if its a pure or crossbred.