I Just Couldnt Help Myself, I Just Had To Try It.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

When I was a kid, there used to be this black belt who looked like steve jacks the karate expert, he taught his young pupils to punch solid objects, said it caused slight stress fractures in the kids hands. And that the human body would make the bones harder and thicker where the stress fractures were to stop them fracturing again. I've heard quite a few athletes do the same, so maybe there is something in running dogs at 7 months on easy rabbits, not the point that it causes damage. It may teach them to roll and slide instead of cart wheel when they fall, maybe.

Its a bit like the old English longbow archers who started training at around the age of 8 I think. There is logic in that,but the training would have to consist of fast walking and trotting on hard surfaces wouldnt it? That sort of steady repetitive action that builds up over time. Its controlled at least.

 

 

Jeems going by your philosophy we shouldn't work our dogs to any quarry until they are 15 months old .... Is that what your saying ?????

No its not.

That's how I interpreted what you said too.

 

You said "as a general rule the growth plates finish development at 15 months,and its in the dogs interest not to put work like pressure on the joints until they have finished growing".

read it again then.

Read what again? I've quoted what you said. It clearly states not to put work like pressure on the joints until they've finished growing. And before that you said they aren't finished growing until 15 months.

 

I can't see where the confusion is coming from?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong. It's your opinion. I'm just trying to establish what it is you are saying. Socks asked if you were saying not to work pups until they are 15 months and you said that's not what you said?

[lurcherman 887 13,259]

 

Gaz is just picking up for trigger because hes been on a walk with him, every one and there granny knows not to lamp a dog at 18 weeks lol ffs

Good constructive post as always ?

 

Sweet mate ?

[ginger beard 4,652]

there's loads of dogs ruined by early entering but none by late entering.don't see the point. i'd take a step back because she done well and you must be pleased but it would be easy to over match her at 19 weeks.

[jeemes 4,492]

 

 

When I was a kid, there used to be this black belt who looked like steve jacks the karate expert, he taught his young pupils to punch solid objects, said it caused slight stress fractures in the kids hands. And that the human body would make the bones harder and thicker where the stress fractures were to stop them fracturing again. I've heard quite a few athletes do the same, so maybe there is something in running dogs at 7 months on easy rabbits, not the point that it causes damage. It may teach them to roll and slide instead of cart wheel when they fall, maybe.

Its a bit like the old English longbow archers who started training at around the age of 8 I think. There is logic in that,but the training would have to consist of fast walking and trotting on hard surfaces wouldnt it? That sort of steady repetitive action that builds up over time. Its controlled at least.

 

 

Jeems going by your philosophy we shouldn't work our dogs to any quarry until they are 15 months old .... Is that what your saying ?????

No its not.

That's how I interpreted what you said too.

 

You said "as a general rule the growth plates finish development at 15 months,and its in the dogs interest not to put work like pressure on the joints until they have finished growing".

read it again then.

Read what again? I've quoted what you said. It clearly states not to put work like pressure on the joints until they've finished growing. And before that you said they aren't finished growing until 15 months.

 

I can't see where the confusion is coming from?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong. It's your opinion. I'm just trying to establish what it is you are saying. Socks asked if you were saying not to work pups until they are 15 months and you said that's not what you said?

 

You are not discussing or trying to learn anything. You are picking bits out to quote from so you can score points. I just cant say it any other way,and there isnt a lot of point really I can see that. The development of a dogs skeleton is not my opinion,its scientific fact.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

When I was a kid, there used to be this black belt who looked like steve jacks the karate expert, he taught his young pupils to punch solid objects, said it caused slight stress fractures in the kids hands. And that the human body would make the bones harder and thicker where the stress fractures were to stop them fracturing again. I've heard quite a few athletes do the same, so maybe there is something in running dogs at 7 months on easy rabbits, not the point that it causes damage. It may teach them to roll and slide instead of cart wheel when they fall, maybe.

Its a bit like the old English longbow archers who started training at around the age of 8 I think. There is logic in that,but the training would have to consist of fast walking and trotting on hard surfaces wouldnt it? That sort of steady repetitive action that builds up over time. Its controlled at least.

 

 

Jeems going by your philosophy we shouldn't work our dogs to any quarry until they are 15 months old .... Is that what your saying ?????

No its not.

That's how I interpreted what you said too.

 

You said "as a general rule the growth plates finish development at 15 months,and its in the dogs interest not to put work like pressure on the joints until they have finished growing".

read it again then.

Read what again? I've quoted what you said. It clearly states not to put work like pressure on the joints until they've finished growing. And before that you said they aren't finished growing until 15 months.

 

I can't see where the confusion is coming from?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong. It's your opinion. I'm just trying to establish what it is you are saying. Socks asked if you were saying not to work pups until they are 15 months and you said that's not what you said?

You are not discussing or trying to learn anything. You are picking bits out to quote from so you can score points. I just cant say it any other way,and there isnt a lot of point really I can see that. The development of a dogs skeleton is not my opinion,its scientific fact.

No point scoring here chief. Just trying to find out exactly what you are saying as it's not all that clear.

 

No worries though.

[tinytiger 840]

 

I've seen dogs entered to early mine included, yap ,yap , gutted, never again, why over match a pup that's going to do the job when mature physically and mentally? Not worth the risk in my eyes[/maquote]maybe theyd have turned out like that anyway? Ive seen greyhounds that were yap,yap, tje whole way round a track-just in them..id say theres a happy medium but there could be a tendency to forget their age if their going good..best lamping dog ive seen was started the same

[tinytiger 840]

 

 

When I was a kid, there used to be this black belt who looked like steve jacks the karate expert, he taught his young pupils to punch solid objects, said it caused slight stress fractures in the kids hands. And that the human body would make the bones harder and thicker where the stress fractures were to stop them fracturing again. I've heard quite a few athletes do the same, so maybe there is something in running dogs at 7 months on easy rabbits, not the point that it causes damage. It may teach them to roll and slide instead of cart wheel when they fall, maybe.

Its a bit like the old English longbow archers who started training at around the age of 8 I think. There is logic in that,but the training would have to consist of fast walking and trotting on hard surfaces wouldnt it? That sort of steady repetitive action that builds up over time. Its controlled at least.

 

 

Jeems going by your philosophy we shouldn't work our dogs to any quarry until they are 15 months old .... Is that what your saying ?????

No its not.

That's how I interpreted what you said too.

 

You said "as a general rule the growth plates finish development at 15 months,and its in the dogs interest not to put work like pressure on the joints until they have finished growing".

read it again then.

they can tell archers by their deformed skeletons.

[socks 32,253]

This is why most dogs are ruined by 12months. A dog should be considered a pup until its 2years old..mentally and physically.

So we have gone from 15 months to 2 years before entering ... What age do you enter your dogs jeemes I am genuinely interested as it sounds like we are miles apart in the way we rear our dogs .......

[look up 406]

 

This is why most dogs are ruined by 12months. A dog should be considered a pup until its 2years old..mentally and physically.

So we have gone from 15 months to 2 years before entering ... What age do you enter your dogs jeemes I am genuinely interested as it sounds like we are miles apart in the way we rear our dogs .......

Not at the stupid age of 4 month old by the sound of it...

[socks 32,253]

 

 

This is why most dogs are ruined by 12months. A dog should be considered a pup until its 2years old..mentally and physically.

So we have gone from 15 months to 2 years before entering ... What age do you enter your dogs jeemes I am genuinely interested as it sounds like we are miles apart in the way we rear our dogs .......

Not at the stupid age of 4 month old by the sound of it...

Thanks once again for your intelligent input .....

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

 

 

 

When I was a kid, there used to be this black belt who looked like steve jacks the karate expert, he taught his young pupils to punch solid objects, said it caused slight stress fractures in the kids hands. And that the human body would make the bones harder and thicker where the stress fractures were to stop them fracturing again. I've heard quite a few athletes do the same, so maybe there is something in running dogs at 7 months on easy rabbits, not the point that it causes damage. It may teach them to roll and slide instead of cart wheel when they fall, maybe.

Its a bit like the old English longbow archers who started training at around the age of 8 I think. There is logic in that,but the training would have to consist of fast walking and trotting on hard surfaces wouldnt it? That sort of steady repetitive action that builds up over time. Its controlled at least.

 

 

Jeems going by your philosophy we shouldn't work our dogs to any quarry until they are 15 months old .... Is that what your saying ?????

No its not.

That's how I interpreted what you said too.

 

You said "as a general rule the growth plates finish development at 15 months,and its in the dogs interest not to put work like pressure on the joints until they have finished growing".

read it again then.

Read what again? I've quoted what you said. It clearly states not to put work like pressure on the joints until they've finished growing. And before that you said they aren't finished growing until 15 months.

 

I can't see where the confusion is coming from?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong. It's your opinion. I'm just trying to establish what it is you are saying. Socks asked if you were saying not to work pups until they are 15 months and you said that's not what you said?

 

You are not discussing or trying to learn anything. You are picking bits out to quote from so you can score points. I just cant say it any other way,and there isnt a lot of point really I can see that. The development of a dogs skeleton is not my opinion,its scientific fact.

 

I said I wouldn't get involved in this discussion since I don't believe anyone will learn from it or change their entrenched opinions on the matter but I'm curious as to what you consider scientific fact. Are there studies done or papers that we can look at, written by scientists or is it just that someone said it in a book or something? Genuine question.

 

And now I'm started, are most dogs really ruined by 12 months ???? Most that I've seen aren't and those that are are ruined by neglect and lack of socialising and exposure to the world they're going to live in, not by early entering.

Edited August 5, 2016 by Maximus Ferret

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This is why most dogs are ruined by 12months. A dog should be considered a pup until its 2years old..mentally and physically.

So we have gone from 15 months to 2 years before entering ... What age do you enter your dogs jeemes I am genuinely interested as it sounds like we are miles apart in the way we rear our dogs .......

Not at the stupid age of 4 month old by the sound of it...

Thanks once again for your intelligent input .....

Any time...

[ginger beard 4,652]

 

This is why most dogs are ruined by 12months. A dog should be considered a pup until its 2years old..mentally and physically.

So we have gone from 15 months to 2 years before entering ... What age do you enter your dogs jeemes I am genuinely interested as it sounds like we are miles apart in the way we rear our dogs .......

 

socks i respect you as a dog man or rather did.are you and gaz really saying it's ok to take a 18 week old pup lamping.?ok still do but just less.

[socks 32,253]

I've never said its ok to take a 4 or 5 month old pup lamping BUT ... As I said previously some 5 month old pups are physically able to catch a green summer rabbit on the lamp and the man that's raised the pup and seen it everyday is the only one that can decide that ... Triggers dog caught 2 easy summer rabbits ... He didn't have a full nights lamping ... We have all seen the pictures and he is a well put together strong pup that wouldn't have been taxed by two catches ... As I stated earlier whilst out a normal everyday walk Tilly tracked her first row Buck at the age of 6 months ... Would her daughter that I have here now be able to do that ... Not in a month of Sunday's ... All pups are different and its spending lol the time with them you can that lets you know what they are or are not capabl of ........

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

Would you let somebody have a pup you'd bred if you knew they would lamp it at such a young age?

If I thought they were capable of good judgement of what a pup was ready for and when then I would. Lamp it at such a young age is an emotive way of putting it. It's not like he ran the guts out of it.