Nurture Or Nature

[Saluki71 110]

Is it possible for a top dog man to take a below average dog and make something of it and likewise a novice or sorry about this idiot to get a top dog and ruin it.

I have to say you wouldn't believe some of the things I've seen when out with dogs, we were on the fens once with some friends and two guys I didn't know, they had two 4 month old pups, I thought the dogs were there for experience until they told me they were there to run in the middle of December. The mind boggles.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Many a good dog ruined by idiots. Including my first dog ruined by me.

 

Equally there will be dogs out there with sub standard breeding which have been made into decent enough pot fillers by good dog men.

 

But you can't polish a turd and I firmly believe some dogs just ain't got what it takes no matter how good a dog man has got the lead.

 

So in answer to your question I think you need a good dose of each. Topped off with a good splash of luck.

[Saluki71 110]

I agree especially with the breeding, if the working lines are there then you have half a chance

I also believe and this is only my opinion that the ability comes primarily from the bitch, if a bitch as had three litters and no decent dogs have come along why will there be good ones in the fourth one. Like I said only my opinion and obviously not to be taken as gospel.

[roybo 2,873]

some have the knack of bring the best out of a dog ,but he isn't going to get a dog to do what it is physically capable of.

so nature ,needs nurturing.

[Coursing mad 24 874]

A div can ruin the best dog in the country a good dog man can make average dog work to a reason able level . the more running dog owners than their is good dog men

[Coursing mad 24 874]

Good dog , good dod man ends in good sport .

[marshman 7,757]

I've a mate threat I've known most of my life and can honestly say that he always has a good dog . Some better than others but everyone has been a good hare dog and capable of doing its job ( he wouldn't keep it otherwise)

In saying that he has as far as I know always gone for stuff where both parents are tidy at there job. And I can't say I've ever seen him have a pup that was out of stuff that couldn't . I've seen him get an extra 10% out of a average dog as he's a good dog man . He always say you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear ! I tend to agree of course I suppose you can get one ofs but consistency is the key for me anyway . Imho

[green dragon 701]

Many a good dog ruined by idiots. Including my first dog ruined by me.

Equally there will be dogs out there with sub standard breeding which have been made into decent enough pot fillers by good dog men.

But you can't polish a turd and I firmly believe some dogs just ain't got what it takes no matter how good a dog man has got the lead.

So in answer to your question I think you need a good dose of each. Topped off with a good splash of luck.

Hit the nail on the head lol i do balive luck plays a big part but putting in the effot and entering proply dose help. im praying my first pup makes the grade this season im shiting my self lol how did you ruin your first dog mate ?

[Moorside 642]

You cant put in what god left out.

[Fieldsporthunter 1,864]

IMO if you get a dog out and use your head and be Patient, you have a good chance.

[desertbred 5,490]

Getting a dog to work or run is a piece of piss. Getting them to work and run to a high standard season after season is the measure of a good stock man. Many a good prospect gets burnt out or suffers career ending injuries by owners who over face them at a young age dont condition them right for the job they are expected to do. Feeding , exercising ,conditioning and understanding your and the dogs capabilities and limitations puts you on the first rung of the ladder. Selecting the right stock for the type of work you want to do gives you a reasonable chance of getting something with potential. Skill and experience come with time and a lot of work. Luck plays a part no doubt but as the saying goes you make your own luck.

Edited July 25, 2016 by desertbred

[Saluki71 110]

Good honest answers chaps, many thanks.

Most dogs are ruined by being run to young, sometimes by incompetent idiots who will never take well meant advice and some by well meaning people who get to excited.

[blackmaggie 3,376]

Its no coincide that good Dogmen have concisely good dogs look at Fuji Jim brick etc they put the miles and hours most of us can't that said egos and over matching have ruined a lot of decent prospects

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Its no coincide that good Dogmen have concisely good dogs look at Fuji Jim brick etc they put the miles and hours most of us can't that said egos and over matching have ruined a lot of decent prospects

Good post that. So many people moan on here about lack of numbers in their local area. Then moan the dog isn't coming on so well. The lads you mentioned don't have the stuff on their doorsteps either, they put the miles in and reap the rewards.

[northern lad 2,292]

Many a good dog ruined by idiots. Including my first dog ruined by me.

 

Equally there will be dogs out there with sub standard breeding which have been made into decent enough pot fillers by good dog men.

 

But you can't polish a turd and I firmly believe some dogs just ain't got what it takes no matter how good a dog man has got the lead.

 

So in answer to your question I think you need a good dose of each. Topped off with a good splash of luck.

 

How did you ruin your first dog Gaz?