Accip74 7,112 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Like Chris said on the previous page the dominoes are falling, I'm sure I'll see full legalisation in my lifetime There is concerns about the Trump/Republican admin, especially Mike Pence..........do you think it's founded? or do think they are likely to just let things roll......(pardon the pun)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Like Chris said on the previous page the dominoes are falling, I'm sure I'll see full legalisation in my lifetime There is concerns about the Trump/Republican admin, especially Mike Pence..........do you think it's founded? or do think they are likely to just let things roll......(pardon the pun)? Well Jeff Sessions has said that they're going to start enforcing federal marijuana laws (like how under Bush the medical dispensaries were always being raided by the DEA) but the recreational business in Washington and Colorado are worth so much money there'll be some serious court action against the federal government if the raids really start to ramp up. Basically I could see it maybe slowing down the rollout of legal recreational use in more states but it's not going to stop, there's too much momentum behind it and too much money to be made by the states. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 There is concerns about the Trump/Republican admin, especially Mike Pence..........do you think it's founded? or do think they are likely to just let things roll......(pardon the pun)? Well Jeff Sessions has said that they're going to start enforcing federal marijuana laws (like how under Bush the medical dispensaries were always being raided by the DEA) but the recreational business in Washington and Colorado are worth so much money there'll be some serious court action against the federal government if the raids really start to ramp up. Basically I could see it maybe slowing down the rollout of legal recreational use in more states but it's not going to stop, there's too much momentum behind it and too much money to be made by the states. Yep that's pretty much how I see it too. Donnie has threatened to cut off federal subsidies for other reasons but some of these states, California especially, have serious financial clout and have counter threatened to stop paying into the fed. Not with weed but other politics. That alone would be enough to call off the dogs. The Trump administration is merely a speed bump towards common sense legislation. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan85 722 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Legalizing Cannabis is a difficult one, the government needs to work out how much they will lose from tree hugging hippies refusing to go to work because they are bone idle and how much they will make from the taxation of the produce and the fines from the inevitable prosecutions of drugged drivers..... Edited March 27, 2017 by DogMan85 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Legalizing Cannabis is a difficult one, the government needs to work out how much they will lose from tree hugging hippies refusing to go to work because they are bone idle and how much they will make from the taxation of the produce and the fines from the inevitable prosecutions of drugged drivers..... .....or the millions they may save from the never ending merry go round of policing it..... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Legalizing Cannabis is a difficult one, the government needs to work out how much they will lose from tree hugging hippies refusing to go to work because they are bone idle and how much they will make from the taxation of the produce and the fines from the inevitable prosecutions of drugged drivers..........or the millions they may save from the never ending merry go round of policing it..... With all the budget cuts UK policing has seen cannabis has become de facto decriminalised in a lot of force areas just because they can't afford to waste their limited budget on enforcing such a pointless law when there's real crimes to be investigating. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Legalizing Cannabis is a difficult one, the government needs to work out how much they will lose from tree hugging hippies refusing to go to work because they are bone idle and how much they will make from the taxation of the produce and the fines from the inevitable prosecutions of drugged drivers..... I'd disagree... Colorado was a test case in the US. In 2012 they voted to legalise recreational use. Jan 1st 2014 they rolled it out. 2016 saw them pass the $1bn sales mark. The Colorado government collected $150m in taxes. $50m of that is special excise tax which is for schools. $1bn from a population of 5.5m... As the hippy tree hugging community are showing, once again, that if you enjoy the environment, as opposed to drilling and mining the environment, you make more money! The Denver Post has a great article on how the smaller, more deprived communities, are handling their revenue boost. As they're recycling that money into social projects that benefit everyone! Finally a display of common sense I can get behind! Edited March 27, 2017 by ChrisJones 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,896 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Legalizing Cannabis is a difficult one, the government needs to work out how much they will lose from tree hugging hippies refusing to go to work because they are bone idle and how much they will make from the taxation of the produce and the fines from the inevitable prosecutions of drugged drivers..... I'd disagree... Colorado was a test case in the US. In 2012 they voted to legalise recreational use. Jan 1st 2014 they rolled it out. 2016 saw them pass the $1bn sales mark. The Colorado government collected $150m in taxes. $50m of that is special excise tax which is for schools. $1bn from a population of 5.5m... As the hippy tree hugging community are showing, once again, that if you enjoy the environment, as opposed to drilling and mining the environment, you make more money! The Denver Post has a great article on how the smaller, more deprived communities, are handling their revenue boost. As they're recycling that money into social projects that benefit everyone! Finally a display of common sense I can get behind! Mate, I can't find a bad word to say about any of the above and the line about not mining or drilling strikes a real chord with me..........however I still can't square it with exposing our young folk to yet another brain killing hobby and crossing yet another line in the sand in exchange for money ! We justify so much in the name of revenue and to me personally some things just can't be justified solely on that basis. In life sometimes you have to cut off your nose to spite your face to make a statement. Jmho 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Legalizing Cannabis is a difficult one, the government needs to work out how much they will lose from tree hugging hippies refusing to go to work because they are bone idle and how much they will make from the taxation of the produce and the fines from the inevitable prosecutions of drugged drivers..... I'd disagree... Colorado was a test case in the US. In 2012 they voted to legalise recreational use. Jan 1st 2014 they rolled it out. 2016 saw them pass the $1bn sales mark. The Colorado government collected $150m in taxes. $50m of that is special excise tax which is for schools. $1bn from a population of 5.5m... As the hippy tree hugging community are showing, once again, that if you enjoy the environment, as opposed to drilling and mining the environment, you make more money! The Denver Post has a great article on how the smaller, more deprived communities, are handling their revenue boost. As they're recycling that money into social projects that benefit everyone! Finally a display of common sense I can get behind! Mate, I can't find a bad word to say about any of the above and the line about not mining or drilling strikes a real chord with me..........however I still can't square it with exposing our young folk to yet another brain killing hobby and crossing yet another line in the sand in exchange for money !We justify so much in the name of revenue and to me personally some things just can't be justified solely on that basis. In life sometimes you have to cut off your nose to spite your face to make a statement. Jmho But young folk are doing it anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 There all doing it anyway wilf. UK is awash with quality home grown. In fact i know a few lads who have went to horiculture college and they are well clued up. You could call them forward thinkers they believe it will be legal and are going to start up there own businesses. Also it will stop weed smokers from going to dealers if they can buy it from a reputable licensed outlet. obv if they dabble in other drugs it wont put all dealers out the game. I do not agree on all drugs being legal.but weed is a lot less harmfull than alcohol and neither does it create the same mindless violence either. jmho but i respect others views and can see how some folk would object in principle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Mate, I can't find a bad word to say about any of the above and the line about not mining or drilling strikes a real chord with me..........however I still can't square it with exposing our young folk to yet another brain killing hobby and crossing yet another line in the sand in exchange for money ! We justify so much in the name of revenue and to me personally some things just can't be justified solely on that basis. In life sometimes you have to cut off your nose to spite your face to make a statement. Jmho Understandable concerns and I can agree. However weed is here to stay, and isn't going anywhere. If you look at the cost to the taxpayer of enforcing the law, against legalizing and taxing it I think it's something that has to be realistically considered. Again if you see what Colorado has done it's predominantly positive and I don't think that immediate legalisation is going to suddenly see an uptake in usage and a downslide in productivity. Where it's been legalised the opposite is happening. We could argue about tax revenues and the people that will be milking that cash cow for all it's worth, but that's another thread and we'll be in agreement but in a stagnating economy that might need a bit of a kick, post Brexit, making money from something that is already throughout society needs serious consideration. Just for the record I'm a drinker, not a smoker. The legality of weed won't make a shit of difference to me, nor will it to a lot of people that don't already use it. I genuinely don't believe it's the slippery slope that is being predicted. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's actually easier for kids to get hold of weed now than it would be if it was legal and well regulated. Right now a 13 year old can rock up to a dealer and get a big bag of weed with no questions asked, surely it's got to be better for the industry to be well regulated with age limits heavily enforced. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 -90% of people I see smoking weed I'd say are under the age of 18 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 It's actually easier for kids to get hold of weed now than it would be if it was legal and well regulated. Right now a 13 year old can rock up to a dealer and get a big bag of weed with no questions asked, surely it's got to be better for the industry to be well regulated with age limits heavily enforced. dealer needs a crack on the jaw then. No way id give weed to a 13yr old and dont know any who would. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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