Weed ;)

[scothunter 12,609]

Spot on artic. This i can relate to. I dont grow weed anymore but i was constant user when i did.Have a really bad knee injury and still have the pins in it.

never went near the drs cannabis relieved my aches and pains (also used it for a high not going to deny that). Moved away and havent grown it since.

 

Had to go to the Drs for my knee. Dont even have to go to surgery just been told get avrepeat prescription.100 full strength co codomal which i fear im now addicted to.

i went to drs few month back as i said the tabs were giving me a dodgy gut. Oh right well heres another prescription for more pills to combat the side affect of dodgy gut.

I went from someone who wouldnt have taken an aspirin to popping over a 100 pills a month! Seriously thinking of growing a couple of Autos in the back garden this summer!

[WILF 46,687]

Who said anything about a free pass

Are you now accepting what I say

Why do you always assume that I approve of things that I don't

i would stop locking up people who are guilty of nothing more than being an addict and treat them

Free up jail space and save money and stop them reoffending

What's not to like

Look, I think I have been pretty clear.......I'd just say f***ing "NO"

No examining the small shades of grey or the subtle nuiances of each case......just f***ing "no"

Plain and simple, that way you don't have to try and justify this particular shit thing from that particular shit thing.......it's just "no"

 

And artic gun I have to disagree with you mate, I think we have traded our responsibility for excuses and hand ups and the elite have us by the bollocks because of it.

Edited April 24, 2017 by WILF

[tilimangro 1,013]

 

Who said anything about a free pass

Are you now accepting what I say

Why do you always assume that I approve of things that I don't

i would stop locking up people who are guilty of nothing more than being an addict and treat them

Free up jail space and save money and stop them reoffending

What's not to like

Look, I think I have been pretty clear.......I'd just say f***ing "NO"

No examining the small shades of grey or the subtle nuiances of each case......just f***ing "no"

Plain and simple, that way you have to try and justify this particular shit thing from that particular shit thing.......it's just "no"

 

And artic gun I have to disagree with you mate, I think we have traded our responsibility for excuses and hand ups and the elite have us by the bollocks because of it.

Like you said no to cigarettes

Have a look at what de criminalising has done in Portugal

All of it is good

Less people are addicts as result

The prisons are less crammed

People are able to work and contribute to society rather than not being able to work because they have a criminal record for possessing a drug

Our way doesn't work

Drugs are cheaper and more easier available than years ago so it clearly doesn't work

Seriously have a look at what happens when you decriminalise or legalise

It works

[WILF 46,687]

So does doing away with them all

[tilimangro 1,013]

No it doesn't

We've been trying that for decades it doesn't work

You cannot do it

Even In the Phillipines

Where dealers face death it still goes on

Because people still want to take them because their lives are so shit

Bury your head in the sand all you want but there's never an excuse to remain ignorant on a subject

Your view is come from a pious religious viewpoint

Here's a news update

Moses and the burning bush

Drug induced dmt trip

[arcticgun 4,548]

I worked in an extremely stressful sector and saw my colleagues succumb to stress problems leading to depression stress drink problems sometimes even cocaine as the hours where long and the environment stressful due to sleep deprivation and te people we looked after, then there was the additional stresses you had with your own life and family to add to it all, seen loads of billy burn outs, I lasted no chew come home sparked up forgot about and and took the dogs out or played with me kids, back next day no chew, no excuses, no extended leave no depression, any aches and pains from work or play all cleared up, some days I come home after maybe three days little or sleep constant friction only too face hell at home cos kids played up etc Id have a sneaky one then be able to deal with it all properly

 

when I did my degree which was forced on me by work I struggled to focus and concentrate as I did at school as a kid being dyslexic and maybe a little adhd lol managed too gain a good degree too , smoked my way thru every assignment and a dissertation , I play poker a lot now for hours on end have to concentrate or its costs me money I play with a joint too relax and focus me , there are times though where you put away the some as it wont benefit you, its about being in control of yourself and being accountable for your actions, and acting the rght way when it is no longer a positive and becomes a negative, just the same way you would if you drank to relax and enjoy yourself

[arcticgun 4,548]

 

Who said anything about a free pass

Are you now accepting what I say

Why do you always assume that I approve of things that I don't

i would stop locking up people who are guilty of nothing more than being an addict and treat them

Free up jail space and save money and stop them reoffending

What's not to like

Look, I think I have been pretty clear.......I'd just say f***ing "NO"

No examining the small shades of grey or the subtle nuiances of each case......just f***ing "no"

Plain and simple, that way you don't have to try and justify this particular shit thing from that particular shit thing.......it's just "no"

 

And artic gun I have to disagree with you mate, I think we have traded our responsibility for excuses and hand ups and the elite have us by the bollocks because of it.

 

I really do respect your opinions and can clearly see why you hold them dear too you, your honesty regarding cigs is evidence of that mate I like your principles and standards on a lot of issues, so respect where it's due,

 

I'm pleased we can have a sensible conversation like most of this thread, even ten years ago the likes of myself others would of kept quiet n the subject, but we here and we do exist and pots coming like it or not, its not killed our youth altogether so far in history and I honestly doubt much will change when it is legal either to be honest. Well some things will change, the police will be able to focus on proper crime, the extra revenue from the industry will come in handy, the dealers will loose out, anyone suffering from it can get treatment, and any kid that's tries it wont end up labelled for life if caught, oh and the prisons will be a little emptier

[Flacko 1,742]

So could you tell me what's the best way to help someone with long term injuries, muscle bone in which form would you recommend atb Flacko

[arcticgun 4,548]

research it on the net pal, a lot of American sites selling medical grade and usually list what type of weed suits what condition, and what's the best form too purchase it in ie oil , bud, wax, shatter, as for how too consume that's a personal choice again or the product itself, likesay there's some quality information all over the net just punt around, maybe even try popping into your local grow shop and ask them a few questions,

[WILF 46,687]

No it doesn't

We've been trying that for decades it doesn't work

You cannot do it

Even In the Phillipines

Where dealers face death it still goes on

Because people still want to take them because their lives are so shit

Bury your head in the sand all you want but there's never an excuse to remain ignorant on a subject

Your view is come from a pious religious viewpoint

Here's a news update

Moses and the burning bush

Drug induced dmt trip

I used to like a good drink when I was a young bloke and single, it was the thing loads of people did round my way and for the formative part of my life it's what some family members did to excess.

Same old regulars up the boozer, a whole range of ages......and then it was time to be a man and set up home.

It was a clear choice, stay as you are and join the ranks or decide to try and build something better, something that came from obvious lessons right in front of my face.

So I packed up booze and got in with building a family and a business.

One is rarely conducive to the other when you need a clear head to make good decisions.

 

I'm an oik out of south London, expelled at 14, no qulifacations and been around a few bits and mixed in certain circles my whole life upto a certain point.

But common sense and an ethic to graft costs f**k all so I cracked on.........I'm nobody special, but I am pretty proud of what I have done.

I'm 45 and retired, I was a governor of the best junior school in my area up and till I moved away, my kids all do very well indeed at school and are mature beyond their years.

 

My history, my circumstances have no bearing on my life in as much as I want a repeat performance........in short I didn't want to be a f***ing idiot and chose not to.

If I can then any c**t can and thats a fact, I'm proud of where I came from but I'm prouder still of where I am.

 

I have an interest and a faith in "God" but my opinions come from experiences and seeing life in the raw.........the fact someone can make an excuse for something nasty and in the next sentence mick something essentially good tells me all I need to know about about arse upwards politically correct thinking.

 

Circumstances do not define a person, choices do that.

[Francie 6,368]

No it doesn't

We've been trying that for decades it doesn't work

You cannot do it

Even In the Phillipines

Where dealers face death it still goes on

Because people still want to take them because their lives are so shit

Bury your head in the sand all you want but there's never an excuse to remain ignorant on a subject

Your view is come from a pious religious viewpoint

Here's a news update

Moses and the burning bush

Drug induced dmt trip

Why are you bringing religon into it again, it has nothing to do with this topic, wilfs not ignorant its his opinion, accept it like everyone else excepts opinions.

 

Anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant or there religon holding them back, grow up pal everyone has opinions accept it.

[Francie 6,368]

research it on the net pal, a lot of American sites selling medical grade and usually list what type of weed suits what condition, and what's the best form too purchase it in ie oil , bud, wax, shatter, as for how too consume that's a personal choice again or the product itself, likesay there's some quality information all over the net just punt around, maybe even try popping into your local grow shop and ask them a few questions,

Throw up a few links mate if ya dont mind thanks.

[tilimangro 1,013]

 

No it doesn't

We've been trying that for decades it doesn't work

You cannot do it

Even In the Phillipines

Where dealers face death it still goes on

Because people still want to take them because their lives are so shit

Bury your head in the sand all you want but there's never an excuse to remain ignorant on a subject

Your view is come from a pious religious viewpoint

Here's a news update

Moses and the burning bush

Drug induced dmt trip

Why are you bringing religon into it again, it has nothing to do with this topic, wilfs not ignorant its his opinion, accept it like everyone else excepts opinions.

 

Anyone who disagrees with you is ignorant or there religon holding them back, grow up pal everyone has opinions accept it.

because wilf is religious I thought not that I was running it down just showing how people have always used drugs I didn't run down religion at all

I'm pretty sure wilf admitted he didn't know Portugal had decriminalised all drugs yet was saying it wasn't the right answer

That's ignorance

[ChrisJones 7,975]

Why legalise it for recreational porpoises? Dose it make some people better? Wouldn't it be making it more appealing to young kids? Is there anyone on here that's never smoked it that agrees with allowing kids to start smoking it?

I don't smoke it. If you legalised it across the board, tomorrow, I still wouldn't rush out and take it up. Those that would are going to do it anyway, so instead of costing the taxpayer money through healthcare and enforcement, etc, why not take a chunk of tax revenue to drop back into the benefit of the communities?

 

A lot of folk on this thread n I'm not saying all are talking out of there arses just to try justify the fact that they are stoners!

Tried it in my teens. Didn't like it. Still support full legalization.

 

Bullshit pal. Banning drink or cigarettes would be fine by me! Do you think young kids should be advised to smoke weed? If we legalised anything bad for people would it make things better?

If you banned it would you stop people drinking and smoking? Look at drug/alcohol use in the species... It goes back to the beginning, regardless of legality! I'm not going to argue the issues/problems with drinking and smoking. Any retard with an internet connection can look at the empirical data on the subject and see that it's f****d. The issue, for me at least, is that it's never going away. We can either keep our heads buried in the sand and dream up inventive ways to screw the taxpayer for more money for enforcement, and offsetting the NHS for the treatment. Or we can look at the strengths and weaknesses in the current system and work for a better solution that benefits everyone.

 

So will all you stoners be giving up your homegrown weed to smoke the taxed, profit making gear the govt will be supplying. Because if you think they'll legalise it and not make millions on it then the weed has really f****d your head

Homebrew beer has never been a threat to Interbrew.

 

the Americans didn't do it properly but Id imagine the british government will do it right and collect the profits,

 

will I give up my home grown? depends how good their pot is and what they spending the profits on if the continue to invest in war then probably not but hey if they that pissed off they can come lock me in one of their prisons lol wonder how long it take me too score a bit in there, or maybe I could choose to go on the smack instead plenty fo that in their, if they cant keep it out of their own prisons who can they keep it out the country lol

I disagree there. I posted some statistics, earlier in the thread, from Colorado. The legit money going directly to schools and deprived communities is staggering. They made special time to ensure that the money would directly benefit communities instead of being stashed away by the greedy. WILF is correct about the British government pissing away the tax windfall but now we're highlighting the real problem. Done correctly it could make a massive difference, but when has 'done correctly' ever been a staple for British politics?

 

Who then thinks there should be a full legalisation of all drugs then?........I mean it's a bit hard to argue for one and against the other as has been pointed out in the alcohol scenario.

 

The master plan would require a lot more than just 'Have At It, Lads' like areas of tolerance away from communities, mandatory counseling and rehabilitation, hard drugs on prescription, legal consequences for breaking all of those, provisions in the law for easier grading of future drugs deemed harmful... Portugal has been used as an example and it's clearly making a difference.

 

The War on Drugs isn't being won by the right people. We need a change in tactics. Harsher and stiffer punishments keep being used and yet the problem is still here and still isn't dealt with. I think sensible discourse from all sectors of society could see major progress, but if people aren't willing to talk then we're stuck with what we've got and we can all agree that it's a major problem. Wouldn't you agree?

 

Not for me I'm afraid, I think they should all be gassed

 

I don't want to look down on junkies, I just don't see any reason for them to exist.

Harsh. Do you think addiction should be treated, or should we go straight to the execution?

[Francie 6,368]

I never said you run down religon, i said anyone who doesnt agree with you is ignorant or its there religons fault.

 

Opinions are like a holes everyone has one.