socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 A bit of common sense in those temps you'd think. It was 9am so wasn't that hot ..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Not like you can call off a battle because it's too hot, they need to train in all conditions Sounds like the poor lad probably had some underlying issue anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Training has to be as close to the real thing as possible otherwise you are not going to be prepared for going into battle ... Iraq and Afghanistan heat is punishingly hot ... Add your osprey body armour your water ammunition spare batteries for comms specialist kit you have to carry and doing 8 miles in sunny Brecon is fukc all ... Your enemy couldn't give a fukc how hot it is as they live there and are running around in a dish dash and flip flops ......... 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,748 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 perhaps he had been on the piss the night before and was dehydrated .never the less a bad do for him and his family i wouldnt blame the m od Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 It was 24 degrees up here at 3am in morn other night Prob was sitting around 26 plus at 9am down Brecons? It was the hottest day of the year And those temps came from nowhere Maybe his body did not have time to acclimatise ? A couple years ago a couple SAS potentials died same area Again on the hottest day of the year Similar temps. So there must be something in it They don't seem to keel over on average temp days. The SAS recruites were TA's and again were on a basic test nothing hard ... You can walk or run all day as long as you keep yourself hydrated no matter what the weather conditions ... The lad could have carried as much water as he wanted and drunk it whenever he wanted ... At the four mile mark they would have had a 5 minuet water stop so he could have taken on a litre of water easily ... As I said he must have had an underlying problem ..... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,889 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Training has to be as close to the real thing as possible otherwise you are not going to be prepared for going into battle ... Iraq and Afghanistan heat is punishingly hot ... Add your osprey body armour your water ammunition spare batteries for comms specialist kit you have to carry and doing 8 miles in sunny Brecon is fukc all ... Your enemy couldn't give a fukc how hot it is as they live there and are running around in a dish dash and flip flops .........well I hope you turned many dish dashes into tea bags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryd 8,631 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) I don't know nothing about it but do you get some sod on your back pushing you to go faster or do they just leave to it and its up to you to make the cut off time ? Pushing your self is one thing but having some else on your back your going to exceed what your capable of and blow up so to speak Edited July 20, 2016 by terryd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 You prob get a few days to acclimatise and prob don't go strait into a 8 mile run around hills ? In high temps Maybe going from temps of 15-16 to 26 plus over night catches them out ? Who knows but the deaths seem to occur on exceptionally hot days. RIP that soldier. It was 17 degrees when they started the tab and only 22 degrees when they finished so nothing extreme ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I don't know nothing about it but do you get some sod on your back pushing you to go faster or do they just leave to it and its up to you to make the cut off time ? Pushing your self is one thing but having some else on your back your going to exceed what your capable of and blow up so to speak The tab he was on is a basic infantry test ... A PTI will pace it so that they finish in 1hr 50 mins ... He was a junior NCO getting ready to go on his senior course so that test would be a stroll in the park for him mate ... You run as a squad nobody would have been pushing him ... If he fell behind he would get in the jack wagon and that's it done ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Training has to be as close to the real thing as possible otherwise you are not going to be prepared for going into battle ... Iraq and Afghanistan heat is punishingly hot ... Add your osprey body armour your water ammunition spare batteries for comms specialist kit you have to carry and doing 8 miles in sunny Brecon is fukc all ... Your enemy couldn't give a fukc how hot it is as they live there and are running around in a dish dash and flip flops ......... I'm sure you'll correct me but surely these lads don't go from here to hot countries, dropped in and asked to go and run and run for miles. Is there not a period of settling in and getting used to these temps?' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Ideally you would get time to acclimatise who's is about 5 to 10 days .... but sometimes operational duties mean you can't and you just get the fukc on with it ... Strangely enough do you know how you acclimatise as an infantry soldier in a hot country ... By doing physical exercise lol .... As I stated as long as you can keep taking on fluids you will be ok ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Training has to be as close to the real thing as possible otherwise you are not going to be prepared for going into battle ... Iraq and Afghanistan heat is punishingly hot ... Add your osprey body armour your water ammunition spare batteries for comms specialist kit you have to carry and doing 8 miles in sunny Brecon is fukc all ... Your enemy couldn't give a fukc how hot it is as they live there and are running around in a dish dash and flip flops .........well I hope you turned many dish dashes into tea bagsTea bags no ... I'm a pretty good shot I only needed one round lol ...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Training has to be as close to the real thing as possible otherwise you are not going to be prepared for going into battle ... Iraq and Afghanistan heat is punishingly hot ... Add your osprey body armour your water ammunition spare batteries for comms specialist kit you have to carry and doing 8 miles in sunny Brecon is fukc all ... Your enemy couldn't give a fukc how hot it is as they live there and are running around in a dish dash and flip flops .........well I hope you turned many dish dashes into tea bagsTea bags no ... I'm a pretty good shot I only needed one round lol ...... Much appreciated for keeping them over there and turning them into pyre fuel is a bonus, cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,889 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Training has to be as close to the real thing as possible otherwise you are not going to be prepared for going into battle ... Iraq and Afghanistan heat is punishingly hot ... Add your osprey body armour your water ammunition spare batteries for comms specialist kit you have to carry and doing 8 miles in sunny Brecon is fukc all ... Your enemy couldn't give a fukc how hot it is as they live there and are running around in a dish dash and flip flops .........well I hope you turned many dish dashes into tea bagsTea bags no ... I'm a pretty good shot I only needed one round lol ......turning them into 3 eyed monsters will do for me lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,977 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 As much of a shame as it is. It's the army. These people sign up to be deployed in blistering heat with full gear on. Nobody at fault here just a horrible accident and a real shame. As been said maybe have medically trained soldiers on hand but without putting soldiers through their paces you are setting them up till fail in tougher conditions. Rip thats the word's mate (sign up) , to put your life on the line , nobody forces them . and suppose that's it end of the day. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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