Whelping Advice For Beginners

[Daniel cain 45,457]

Lost a litter a few yrs back at 51 days and was lucky the bitch survived -next time I gave here a course of antibiotics before I tried her again and she was fine.she had a pup outside my vets in the footwear of my car.got her home and she whelped the rest no problem.I will always give them a jab before and after these days.atb dc

[jiggy 3,209]

Lost a litter a few yrs back at 51 days and was lucky the bitch survived -next time I gave here a course of antibiotics before I tried her again and she was fine.she had a pup outside my vets in the footwear of my car.got her home and she whelped the rest no problem.I will always give them a jab before and after these days.atb dc

how soon before

[jeemes 4,484]

Whats peoples opinions on a penicillan injection a couple of hours after bitch has pupped, a greyhound man i know lost a bitch or 2 over the years to womb infections and he claimed it can be too late at times to give antibiotics because it was hard to spot infection. Get the penicillan in early was his attitude and it would also clear up other underlying conditions that might weaken the bitch. People would differ on opinions on this matter im sure for treating an infection that might not exist but he reckoned it had no affect on pups or bitch and prevention is better than cure, i would be interested to hear other peoples views on this. Id imagine it would be difficult for a beginner to spot infection and to know whether a bitch is in danger when passing blod spots or gunk 3 weeks after pupping when this is quite common.

Heard this from a few old hands. I personally have never seen ill effects from penicillin being given before a litter was born to dam or whelps.

[jiggy 3,209]

 

 

Whats peoples opinions on a penicillan injection a couple of hours after bitch has pupped, a greyhound man i know lost a bitch or 2 over the years to womb infections and he claimed it can be too late at times to give antibiotics because it was hard to spot infection. Get the penicillan in early was his attitude and it would also clear up other underlying conditions that might weaken the bitch. People would differ on opinions on this matter im sure for treating an infection that might not exist but he reckoned it had no affect on pups or bitch and prevention is better than cure, i would be interested to hear other peoples views on this. Id imagine it would be difficult for a beginner to spot infection and to know whether a bitch is in danger when passing blod spots or gunk 3 weeks after pupping when this is quite common.

Heard this from a few old hands. I personally have never seen ill effects from penicillin being given before a litter was born to dam or whelps.

yeah even if bitch was a bit whoozy from medication it might save her life i also seen lads with bitchs given birth on shredded paper i think this is madness with wet pups and bitch and it sticking to everything id use a couple of bedsheets then dump them and start using paper when everything is nice and dry.

[skycat 6,173]

I couldn't agree more: old sheets or towels are the only thing I'd use for the actual whelping process. Depending on the time of year, I then layer Vetbed on top of sheets of newspaper. As Vetbed allows moisture to pass straight through it you need lots of paper underneath to soak liquid up, especially once pups start peeing for themselves. I once had the misfortune to whelp a litter in the very hot summer of 2006 and had a real job keeping bitch and pups cool, to the extent that I had reflective foil at the windows and a fan going day and night and even had to sponge week old pups down with cool water as they were in danger of getting heat stroke.

 

Don't use Vetbed in very hot weather as it creates even more heat: an old quilt, one that you can stick in the washing machine, is a better idea, and more comfortable for the bitch than just a sheet on hard board. The more comfortable the bitch is, the better she'll look after the pups. Some very bony bitches find it hard to lie on just boards. Whilst this might really only apply to Saluki type lurchers, heavy boned dogs can be equally uncomfortable on hard floors: this can produce bursas (fluid-filled lumps) on elbow and hock joints.

[Daniel cain 45,457]

 

Lost a litter a few yrs back at 51 days and was lucky the bitch survived -next time I gave here a course of antibiotics before I tried her again and she was fine.she had a pup outside my vets in the footwear of my car.got her home and she whelped the rest no problem.I will always give them a jab before and after these days.atb dc

how soon before

soon as she starts to show/bleed.atb dc

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Check the bitch daily from parturition at the back end ,especially if she discharges smelly dark fluid .I've never jabbed before or after birth ,in fact never had a problem with infection

Exercise for the bitch ,clean quarters especially getting rid of birthing stains and regular body checks will keep you infection free .

Incidentally vet bed has served me well since its invention whatever the weather and I use 2 on rotation having one clean at all times.

Mastits is in fact caused by bacteria entering the nipple through dirty conditions or in contact with other medium such as urine .Those lads with good husbandry rarely see this which speaks volumes .

[Plucky1 1,119]

D.C. breeding decent pups doesn't happen by chance and my statement said "decent",you said quality, but thats a fair assessment I will stand by, I really don't care whether you think I'm a plum or not as I have read some pretty daft sh*t that you have posted, its easy to breed from scatter bred terriers like yours that are already doing the job but try finding "decent" working Plummers of the correct size and type, I have bred something that simply wasn't out there, The Plummer terrier as a breed was never finished or completed before its namesake died and the clubs have no idea, they are only interested in showing and not work, I could go out and buy a black or chocolate digging Patt,fell any day of the week, blend a few lines and call them my own but that is not true when it comes to Plummers, my name will never be remembered when Plummers are talked of and yours certainly won't about the stuff you breed but mention Nuttall,Parkes or stevens and an image of their terrier types will instantly spring to mind, these are the men we have to thank for most of our "quality" working stock, WM

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Correct size and type for what ?

[jiggy 3,209]

Check the bitch daily from parturition at the back end ,especially if she discharges smelly dark fluid .I've never jabbed before or after birth ,in fact never had a problem with infection

Exercise for the bitch ,clean quarters especially getting rid of birthing stains and regular body checks will keep you infection free .

Incidentally vet bed has served me well since its invention whatever the weather and I use 2 on rotation having one clean at all times.

Mastits is in fact caused by bacteria entering the nipple through dirty conditions or in contact with other medium such as urine .Those lads with good husbandry rarely see this which speaks volumes .

fair play obviously hygeine is a must and you are correct in what you say but do you see a negative in antibiotics lets say using them with correct hygeine, i wouldnt critisize anyone its whatever works for different people im just interested in other peoples ideas without stupid im better than you arguments from people clambering for high status and too be fair a lot of people starting out might learn something by reading this thread from experienced people and most have the bitches welfare at heart but dont know when and what to do.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

I personally won't use antibiotics unless a last resort .IMO ,too many people use it incorrectly too often .In all the years I've had dogs I've probably used them a hand full of times ,once for an abscess I know .Not for this thread but the cleanliness of any treatable wound is paramount as is day to day cleaning routine .I'm not saying scrub out everyday with a cleaning product but washing down combined with clean bedding and a weekly scrub has always stood well for me as well as good grub and excerise.

Antibiotics must never be looked on as a preventative ,they are a backup to help animal fight infection when its own immune system is low for any reason .The continued use by some will one day render them useless when needed .Keep everything in order,don't overstock ,jab pups and you will tick along nicely barring injury .

[rob284 1,682]

I personally won't use antibiotics unless a last resort .IMO ,too many people use it incorrectly too often .In all the years I've had dogs I've probably used them a hand full of times ,once for an abscess I know .Not for this thread but the cleanliness of any treatable wound is paramount as is day to day cleaning routine .I'm not saying scrub out everyday with a cleaning product but washing down combined with clean bedding and a weekly scrub has always stood well for me as well as good grub and excerise.

Antibiotics must never be looked on as a preventative ,they are a backup to help animal fight infection when its own immune system is low for any reason .The continued use by some will one day render them useless when needed .Keep everything in order,don't overstock ,jab pups and you will tick along nicely barring injury .

well said.

[Daniel cain 45,457]

D.C. breeding decent pups doesn't happen by chance and my statement said "decent",you said quality, but thats a fair assessment I will stand by, I really don't care whether you think I'm a plum or not as I have read some pretty daft sh*t that you have posted, its easy to breed from scatter bred terriers like yours that are already doing the job but try finding "decent" working Plummers of the correct size and type, I have bred something that simply wasn't out there, The Plummer terrier as a breed was never finished or completed before its namesake died and the clubs have no idea, they are only interested in showing and not work, I could go out and buy a black or chocolate digging Patt,fell any day of the week, blend a few lines and call them my own but that is not true when it comes to Plummers, my name will never be remembered when Plummers are talked of and yours certainly won't about the stuff you breed but mention Nuttall,Parkes or stevens and an image of their terrier types will instantly spring to mind, these are the men we have to thank for most of our "quality" working stock, WM

your welcome to your opinion Robert, I have no problem digging any ground in any company with my scatter breds as you call them lol,give me shout and your more than welcome to see them with your own eyes,and as for being rembered like the greats lol don't interest me one bit,I'm happy to get out with like minded lads and enjoy the dogs.I quite frankly would not want my name in others mouths.you seem to crave recognition if thats what turns you on you crack on.just remember this-I don't sell dogs to all and sundry who tip up talking the talk and with 350 in their hands.the type that do that ,are not in it for the bettering of a breed/type -just their own egos.atb dc

[jeemes 4,484]

 

Check the bitch daily from parturition at the back end ,especially if she discharges smelly dark fluid .I've never jabbed before or after birth ,in fact never had a problem with infection

Exercise for the bitch ,clean quarters especially getting rid of birthing stains and regular body checks will keep you infection free .

Incidentally vet bed has served me well since its invention whatever the weather and I use 2 on rotation having one clean at all times.

Mastits is in fact caused by bacteria entering the nipple through dirty conditions or in contact with other medium such as urine .Those lads with good husbandry rarely see this which speaks volumes .

fair play obviously hygeine is a must and you are correct in what you say but do you see a negative in antibiotics lets say using them with correct hygeine, i wouldnt critisize anyone its whatever works for different people im just interested in other peoples ideas without stupid im better than you arguments from people clambering for high status and too be fair a lot of people starting out might learn something by reading this thread from experienced people and most have the bitches welfare at heart but dont know when and what to do.

 

Im afraid you are right. I introduced mastitis into this thread as a conversation changer to stop the rot so to speak,but unfortunately those who needed it most managed to turn it straight back in on themselves in the race to score points. That sadly is the way of these threads. The streptococci soon sets back in.A change of direction is soon smothered. As Frazer would say "Theyre DOOMED I say...d ya hear me? DOOMED!!!!!

 

I would say to people who want to learn more about breeding dogs they should try reading some good books like the one Penny endorsed earlier in this thread. THE BOOK OF THE BITCH by JM Evans and Kay White or another good oneTHE DOG BREEDERS MANUAL by Eric fitch Daglish...thats been out of print for a while,but can still be bought on line.

 

I would like to add that I myself have been breeding for 175 years and have never made any mistakes!!

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Just say what you got to say Jeemes ,no riddles just say it .