Trapping Australia

[EDDIE B 3,159]

 

 

 

To the ones that say stick them up, what are you going to learn from looking at photos of dead animals? Please tell me as I must have been missing something these last 50 odd years.

 

TC

 

Fair deuce to you Tiercel, for never putting up pictures of vermin caught in traps, on these forums.

 

I have, so I'm the last person to judge.

 

Maybe we should ban photo's from the forum altogether. Well those of trapped animals anyway. That would sort it!

 

I agree, there really is no need for pictures.

 

But they do add to the forum, so why not.

[Tiercel 6,986]

There is nothing wrong with photos of dead / trapped animals as such, if they are used in the right context. The photos of dead animals with just the words "I had these today" or what ever, serve no other purpose other than to boost the posters ego.

 

However, a good write up with pictures or end of day shots tells a story, I know what I would rather see. People compare the trapping programs to internet forums, but the images you see on such programs are an integral part of the story, they show how they set the traps the daily trudge checking the traps so in that respect they are not at all gratuitous.

 

Can no one see where I am actually coming from?

 

TC

[EDDIE B 3,159]

There is nothing wrong with photos of dead / trapped animals as such, if they are used in the right context. The photos of dead animals with just the words "I had these today" or what ever, serve no other purpose other than to boost the posters ego.

 

However, a good write up with pictures or end of day shots tells a story, I know what I would rather see. People compare the trapping programs to internet forums, but the images you see on such programs are an integral part of the story, they show how they set the traps the daily trudge checking the traps so in that respect they are not at all gratuitous.

 

Can no one see where I am actually coming from?

 

TC

I know exactly where your coming from Tiercel.

Thing is, it's not something that goes on much here, so I don't see it as a big deal. If every second post on here were catch photo's, with nothing behind them, then yea, it would p*ss me off.

 

I mean, there ain't much on this forum these days, and i can see why members are reluctant to contribute. (I know I am!)

 

Sure photo's alone, dont add a whole lot to the forum, but better than logging in to see absolutely nothing, which is often the case.

[stormyboy 1,352]

Personally I find any kind of trap totally inhumane, apart from cage traps, and those are only OK if if they are checked very regularly. I have found dead foxes in cage traps set on farm land on rough shoots that have obviously died of dehydration and starvation, showing that whoever set the trap couldn't be bothered to check it.

The amount of stress and pain, even in one of those so-called cushioned traps, is not acceptable to anyone with half an ounce of humanity. If that makes me sound like an anti, then tough. I appreciate that in a country where there is a feral dog problem then these traps may just be preferable to poisoned bait, and a damn sight cheaper than marksmen in choppers. But, to be honest, it is humans who are the scourge of the planet, not the animals. But, you'd think by now, with so many chemicals on the market, they'd have found a way to safely euthanase feral dogs without causing stress and pain.

 

Any trap? While I agree with the sentiment about humans to a degree, I would think there would be more stress on quarry run by dogs than a correctly set kill trap. The same applies to cage traps-an animal would be far more stressed stuck in a cage,even for a few minutes,than a kill trap. Pest control requires the use of various methods, none of which are kind to the quarry. I'm curious to hear how you would administer chemical euthanasia??

As a hunter, your statement is a little hypocritical.

[skycat 6,173]

I beg to differ, regarding being 'a little hypocritical'. Wild animals, be they predator or prey, are accustomed to living in a state of perpetual heightened awareness. This topic has been done to death many times over the years and especially during the run up to the hunting ban. Time and again anecdotal examples of wild animals, including foxes, hares, deer as well as rabbits, were seen to flee, and as soon as they were safe, they resume their normal activities, such as feeding etc.

 

There have also been various studies done on wild animals, and I've read a very interesting book which suggests that animals even recover from physical trauma far more quickly than humans. It is called Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma. Can't remember the author's name.

 

If a kill trap can be guaranteed to kill quickly I've no problem with that at all. No method is 'kind' as you say, but I believe that if we do kill animals, it should be done as fast as possible. And, having watched several videos of wild dogs and dingoes caught in leg hold traps, and pet dogs as well, which have got into them by accident, both the physical and mental trauma is very plain to see.

[stormyboy 1,352]

My apologies, I have obviously misinterpreted your statement "personally I find ANY kind of trap inhumane apart from cage traps"...

I totally agree, any killing should be done as fast and humanely as possible. ( I've had this 'discussion' with bullx boys who state that a dog is not a fox dog unless it mullers a fox to death). I say this as a lifelong Running dog/terrier enthusiast, regardless of the fact that the topic has indeed been done to death, but quarry is undoubtedly under a lot of stress when pursued or faced with a dog. You excuse this by stating that they get over it quickly. Yet you stated that you find ANY trap except cages inhumane. I agree again, leg hold traps do appear cruel and I personally wouldn't use them even if legal, but a ride in one of the legal kill traps leaves little time for any stress to the quarry.

[terryd 8,364]

bit like me plonking this picture up

 

 

it means nothing and every one has seen a dog and a few rabbits hanging on a fence. But if I tell the storey behind it and why one is missing half his fur no one will learn any thing or be that interested really lol but it tells a story

[earth-thrower 493]

Question the proficiency of a trapper who takes photos before dispatch, don't go on Australian or American forums you knob, for that matter don't watch American hunting shows. Takes 2 seconds to get a photo. Also the other knob who said traps are inhumane, tell me have you seen a fox die from a bait? Baits are also indiscriminate whatever picks it up dies and its not quickly or humanely, Don't try and tar trappers with the same brush shag everything i do is legal i check my traps everyday so don't write your rubbish on here because clearly you are uneducated on the subject.

Your still entitled, to put your photos up, if you want , mate ?,...i wouldnt let anyone on here , stop me, (if i wanted too) even if it was 'controversial' ?,....so its probably better, to have the courage, too,......rather than going on the defensive, and resorting to 'name calling' insults ? (all the ones that dont agree,are perfectly entitled also, to their view ?,...but its down to you ?),....you soon learn, you have to have a 'thick skin', on here ! ,...ha ha

Edited July 19, 2016 by earth-thrower

[earth-thrower 493]

There is nothing wrong with photos of dead / trapped animals as such, if they are used in the right context. The photos of dead animals with just the words "I had these today" or what ever, serve no other purpose other than to boost the posters ego.

 

However, a good write up with pictures or end of day shots tells a story, I know what I would rather see. People compare the trapping programs to internet forums, but the images you see on such programs are an integral part of the story, they show how they set the traps the daily trudge checking the traps so in that respect they are not at all gratuitous.

 

Can no one see where I am actually coming from?

 

TC

"Can no one see where i am actually coming from?",....aye, i can,...but even though i can, (and probably would) say, if i thought something was in 'bad taste', i dont believe ive the right to try and stop them,...speaking personally ?

Edited July 19, 2016 by earth-thrower

[Wolfdog91 6,875]

Theirs a lot of videos over the that have night vision footage of animals in traps just saying , allows he hype about inhumane stress just isn't there. And you know we don't kill every thing we catch. Lots of animals et released with no harm at all. You can hop over to Trapperman.com and see it for your self. Just saying.

[unclepesta 101]

i think there is a anti on this post

[Torquemada 288]

I have made a few videos of me shooting cage trapped Foxes, but only to show a couple of lads how to do it quickly and humanely. Not for general public viewing.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

f**k sake there's some fannies about .Surely there's a forum for cross stitch or crochet that would interest them .Why they are involved at any level is beyond me