Jonjon79 13,358 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Good old Uganda. Like anyone cares what a corrupt dump like that has to say. I hope it does hurt bi-lateral ties. Get a like button fitted ffs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurcherman 887 13,234 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 They should stick to what there good at dancing round fires Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 I voted brexit and I shudder to think of Boris as the chief negotiator aka foreign secretary for GB... PM wouldve been fine though Negotiations will fall to David Davis and Liam Fox, under powers that would have been under the Foreign Office. I think that the whole point of putting Boris at the FO was to sideline him from the EU, not to involve him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,352 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yeah, but on this occasion at least, he is absolutely spot on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,777 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals..... But when have the other countries In the EU played by the rules if it didn't suit them ...? .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals..... But when have the other countries In the EU played by the rules if it didn't suit them ...? .. So you think the rest of the EU will just ignore the rules when it comes to setting up trade deals with us? Ok then, admire your optimism Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals..... As I understand it, a deal to sell goods ABC to country XY for price Z (the physical mechanics of trade) CAN be done bilaterally, without the EU being involved, but all trade must comply with EU trade regulations, tariffs etc. British trade delegations visit non-EU countries all the time (it will be one of Boris's major tasks). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Liz Truss illustrates my point (with some comedic effect !) https://youtu.be/bRhlRM6rYck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hang on a minute. You mean we can't negotiate any trade deals, inside or outside the EU, while the two-year Article 50 process is ongoing? Exactly. Actually, it's against the law for EU member states (we'd still be an EU member state until the end of the two-year process) to conduct bilateral trade negotiations with other member states or countries. There might be wriggle room here. If the UK and the EU enter into negotiations in good faith they could authorise those talks. But there's not that much good faith about and EU leaders are irritated by Britain's constant demands for a bespoke single market, its vote to leave and the continued uncertainty around its negotiating position. The thing to remember when imagining all this is that we have very little leverage, except for when we trigger Article 50. So what happens when we fall out the EU at the end of the Article 50 process? It's Year Zero. We will have no trade deals, no financial arrangements with the EU or anyone else. We're like a man being thrown out of a plane into the sea with no lifejacket. Seriously. I'm not making this up. It's scary. http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/14/everything-you-need-to-know-about-theresa-may-s-brexit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sussex 5,777 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals..... But when have the other countries In the EU played by the rules if it didn't suit them ...? .. So you think the rest of the EU will just ignore the rules when it comes to setting up trade deals with us? Ok then, admire your optimism No not ignore , just bend them slightly ...I certainly can't see the Germans causing major problems for there motor / engineering industries just to play hardball ..I think their will be lots of behind the scenes talks regardless of what Junkers had said ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,784 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals..... But when have the other countries In the EU played by the rules if it didn't suit them ...? .. So you think the rest of the EU will just ignore the rules when it comes to setting up trade deals with us? Ok then, admire your optimism No not ignore , just bend them slightly ...I certainly can't see the Germans causing major problems for there motor / engineering industries just to play hardball ..I think their will be lots of behind the scenes talks regardless of what Junkers had said ... EU members aren't allowed to do deals themselves but they will surely be having unofficial bilateral talks to negotiate a proposed deal that will then go before the EU government. They can't subvert the democratic will of other EU states but they will certainly be doing what they need to to secure their own interests. And I also don't believe for a minute the same won't be happening between UK and non EU states in prep for prompt deals post completion of Brexit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shepp 2,285 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 If they get too gobby then just stop the foreign aid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Doesn't bi-lateral imply both directions? They sit around with flies on their eyes and do f**k all waiting for us to give them more stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 David Davis has been talking about making trade deals with individual EU countries... I don't think he really understands how this works? EU countries aren't allowed to make their own bilateral trade deals.....But when have the other countries In the EU played by the rules if it didn't suit them ...? .. So you think the rest of the EU will just ignore the rules when it comes to setting up trade deals with us? Ok then, admire your optimism No not ignore , just bend them slightly ...I certainly can't see the Germans causing major problems for there motor / engineering industries just to play hardball ..I think their will be lots of behind the scenes talks regardless of what Junkers had said ... EU members aren't allowed to do deals themselves but they will surely be having unofficial bilateral talks to negotiate a proposed deal that will then go before the EU government. They can't subvert the democratic will of other EU states but they will certainly be doing what they need to to secure their own interests. And I also don't believe for a minute the same won't be happening between UK and non EU states in prep for prompt deals post completion of Brexit. How prompt do you expect these deals to be considering trade deals can take decades to be completed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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