Labour Leadership Election

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From an low under Milliband though. Party leader perhaps. Numbers high due to Uniins too which is a good thing.

 

I just don't think he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Labour under Corbyn matched the record high's in the local elections under Miliband

Didn't they lose votes in Wales and Scotland though.

 

 

They lost a couple of councillors in marginal areas where they were never likely to hold onto them but didn't lose control of any councils and matched Miliands share of the vote nationally I believe.

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From an low under Milliband though. Party leader perhaps. Numbers high due to Uniins too which is a good thing.

 

I just don't think he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Labour under Corbyn matched the record high's in the local elections under Miliband

Didn't they lose votes in Wales and Scotland though.

They lost a couple of councillors in marginal areas where they were never likely to hold onto them but didn't lose control of any councils and matched Miliands share of the vote nationally I believe.

Rhonnda was a labour stronghold and they lost that plus a fall in its share of votes, so whichever way you try to paint it he wasn't successful in Wales. And the feeling I get around here is it isn't going to get any better.

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From an low under Milliband though. Party leader perhaps. Numbers high due to Uniins too which is a good thing.

 

I just don't think he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Labour under Corbyn matched the record high's in the local elections under Miliband

Didn't they lose votes in Wales and Scotland though.

They lost a couple of councillors in marginal areas where they were never likely to hold onto them but didn't lose control of any councils and matched Miliands share of the vote nationally I believe.

Rhonnda was a labour stronghold and they lost that plus a fall in its share of votes, so whichever way you try to paint it he wasn't successful in Wales. And the feeling I get around here is it isn't going to get any better.

 

 

That was for the Welsh Assembly right? I was talking about council elections.

 

No doubt Labour have real problems in Wales and Scotland but again those problems had been brewing for a long time before Corbyn became leader.

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Labour stopped being the "workers" party a long time ago and instead started being the "weirdos" party......for all corbyns rhetoric he still buys into all the white bad/black good, Hetrosexual bad/ homosexual good bollocks.......they have lived it and preached it for so long they can't be any other way.

It's the default position for the Labour Party and the fact is their traditional support were probably white men working in heavy industry trying to raise a family.......the constant promotion of gay/black/Muslim/diversity/anti british values is hardly going to resonate with those people......more so when labour also promotes a high tax system to pay for all these odd marks.

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Labour stopped being the "workers" party a long time ago and instead started being the "weirdos" party......for all corbyns rhetoric he still buys into all the white bad/black good, Hetrosexual bad/ homosexual good bollocks.......they have lived it and preached it for so long they can't be any other way.

It's the default position for the Labour Party and the fact is their traditional support were probably white men working in heavy industry trying to raise a family.......the constant promotion of gay/black/Muslim/diversity/anti british values is hardly going to resonate with those people......more so when labour also promotes a high tax system to pay for all these odd marks.

The Labour party was founded on principles of international solidarity and equal rights, this isn't some new direction the party has taken. Again it's one of those things if you don't support the party isn't for you

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From an low under Milliband though. Party leader perhaps. Numbers high due to Uniins too which is a good thing.

 

I just don't think he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Labour under Corbyn matched the record high's in the local elections under Miliband

Didn't they lose votes in Wales and Scotland though.

They lost a couple of councillors in marginal areas where they were never likely to hold onto them but didn't lose control of any councils and matched Miliands share of the vote nationally I believe.

Didn't they just keep hold of safe seats?

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From an low under Milliband though. Party leader perhaps. Numbers high due to Uniins too which is a good thing.

 

I just don't think he's a Prime Minister in waiting.

Labour under Corbyn matched the record high's in the local elections under Miliband

Didn't they lose votes in Wales and Scotland though.

They lost a couple of councillors in marginal areas where they were never likely to hold onto them but didn't lose control of any councils and matched Miliands share of the vote nationally I believe.

Didn't they just keep hold of safe seats?

They maintained control of every council they had before the election including in some pretty marginal areas They also doubled their majority in the by-election in the marginal Tooting.

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Labour stopped being the "workers" party a long time ago and instead started being the "weirdos" party......for all corbyns rhetoric he still buys into all the white bad/black good, Hetrosexual bad/ homosexual good bollocks.......they have lived it and preached it for so long they can't be any other way.

It's the default position for the Labour Party and the fact is their traditional support were probably white men working in heavy industry trying to raise a family.......the constant promotion of gay/black/Muslim/diversity/anti british values is hardly going to resonate with those people......more so when labour also promotes a high tax system to pay for all these odd marks.

The Labour party was founded on principles of international solidarity and equal rights, this isn't some new direction the party has taken. Again it's one of those things if you don't support the party isn't for you

You swerved that one a bit there mate, so let me be a bit more direct........do you think the "right on" love every odd mark Labour that has been in existence since the 80s has anything in common with lads working in the coal fields of Durham and the Rhonda?........do you think those lads are going down in pit lift and thinking "you know what, Diane Abbott speaks for me and by the way, we need more gay miners" ?

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Labour stopped being the "workers" party a long time ago and instead started being the "weirdos" party......for all corbyns rhetoric he still buys into all the white bad/black good, Hetrosexual bad/ homosexual good bollocks.......they have lived it and preached it for so long they can't be any other way.

It's the default position for the Labour Party and the fact is their traditional support were probably white men working in heavy industry trying to raise a family.......the constant promotion of gay/black/Muslim/diversity/anti british values is hardly going to resonate with those people......more so when labour also promotes a high tax system to pay for all these odd marks.

The Labour party was founded on principles of international solidarity and equal rights, this isn't some new direction the party has taken. Again it's one of those things if you don't support the party isn't for you

You swerved that one a bit there mate, so let me be a bit more direct........do you think the "right on" love every odd mark Labour that has been in existence since the 80s has anything in common with lads working in the coal fields of Durham and the Rhonda?........do you think those lads are going down in pit lift and thinking "you know what, Diane Abbott speaks for me and by the way, we need more gay miners" ?

Didn't swerve it at all, if they don't feel that the Labour party represents them they can vote for another party, the party shouldn't compromise on its principles, that's the kind of shit Kinnock etc started and is what got us into the position we're in.

 

The problem with the current Labour party has been they compromised on every principle that the working class folk supported while keeping the stuff about international solidarity and equal rights to pander to the liberal left in big cities. The folk down the pits and in industrial jobs don't generally care about gays etc you're right but as long as the Labour party look after their interests they don't really care if they're also advocating equal rights for gays etc. The problems came when the old base was ignored because it's felt their vote can be relied on while the liberal left were pandered to, same sort of thing went on in Scotland with the national party taking their votes for granted.

Edited July 15, 2016 by BGD

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So it seems if you are just "ordinary" (what ever that is?!) them the Labour Party isn't really for you hence why they seem to be losing support in places like Scotland to the SNP and in the rest of the U.K. To the likes of UKIP ?

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So it seems if you are just "ordinary" (what ever that is?!) them the Labour Party isn't really for you hence why they seem to be losing support in places like Scotland to the SNP and in the rest of the U.K. To the likes of UKIP ?

Why are you under the impression you have to agree with every single thing the party does to support them? Obviously if support for gays is a red line for you then don't vote for the party but I'd say it'd be a bit silly if everything else the party advocates would benefit you in your day to day life, wouldn't you?

 

Personally I'd prefer a more socially conservative economically leftist party (seems to be what you're getting at) but if the left split like that they'd never see power again no matter the mood of the public. With a different electoral system we could have smaller leftist parties with different opinions on some social issues that could all come together in a coalition but under FPTP it just makes sense to all come together under the broad banner of the Labour party.

 

The Labour party under Kinnock, Blair and Brown definitely didn't represent the working classes, that much we can agree on.

Edited July 15, 2016 by BGD

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Labour stopped being the "workers" party a long time ago and instead started being the "weirdos" party......for all corbyns rhetoric he still buys into all the white bad/black good, Hetrosexual bad/ homosexual good bollocks.......they have lived it and preached it for so long they can't be any other way.

It's the default position for the Labour Party and the fact is their traditional support were probably white men working in heavy industry trying to raise a family.......the constant promotion of gay/black/Muslim/diversity/anti british values is hardly going to resonate with those people......more so when labour also promotes a high tax system to pay for all these odd marks.

The Labour party was founded on principles of international solidarity and equal rights, this isn't some new direction the party has taken. Again it's one of those things if you don't support the party isn't for you

 

The labour party was founded to represent working class Brits, due to the caring nature of working class Brits they supported other maligned groups, sadly morons like yourself took over labour to push your own warped ideals, labour still got votes as working class Brits aren't going to vote for Tories, and now here we are

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It's a realy shame how some folk can't have a civil discussion and have to jump in while others are discussing things like adults with a couple of lines and personal insults.

 

What warped ideals exactly have I and "morons like me" pushed on the Labour party

Edited July 15, 2016 by BGD

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So it seems if you are just "ordinary" (what ever that is?!) them the Labour Party isn't really for you hence why they seem to be losing support in places like Scotland to the SNP and in the rest of the U.K. To the likes of UKIP ?

Why are you under the impression you have to agree with every single thing the party does to support them? Obviously if support for gays is a red line for you then don't vote for the party but I'd say it'd be a bit silly if everything else the party advocates would benefit you in your day to day life, wouldn't you?

Personally I'd prefer a more socially conservative economically leftist party (seems to be what you're getting at) but if the left split like that they'd never see power again no matter the mood of the public. With a different electoral system we could have smaller leftist parties with different opinions on some social issues that could all come together in a coalition but under FPTP it just makes sense to all come together under the broad banner of the Labour party.

The Labour party under Kinnock, Blair and Brown definitely didn't represent the working classes, that much we can agree on.

Well mate, I can't say I speak for everyone but you talk about it like gay/black/anti this/anti that/weird is good/ normal is bad position of the Labour Party is on the fringe of main policy where by I believe (and as I say I may be alone ) that it is actually 99% what they are about......and again, personally I don't think that's what your ordinary Joe soap is about.

Jmho

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We could start with mass immigration, would the founders of Labour have approved of mass immigration you think? And yes I'm afraid I think you are a moron, proven when you blatantly accused someone of being a pedo, then act all shocked and hurt and inferred someone was accusing you of the same when it is blatant that is not what he was getting at