General lee 979 Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Wasn't in a garden the cat was out on the road the husband didn't want to take the cat to the vets but after a chat with the vet he left it in the vets I think the vet told him I would have to pay the bill my daughter is worried that her dog will be taken off her the woman was given the cat by someone when they moved she only feeds it now and then she told me it goes for days at a time it wasn't a cherished family pet that has been attacked in a garden it's almost a stray that this woman feeds a couple of times a week 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) cats n dogs. its the cats fault.No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats TC I break my dogs to livestock including horses, Raptors and other dogs. They are well socialised with humans and non aggressive, why would I break them to cats they run things in a country setting .I dont break them to ferrets as they dont work with them but I will certainly not break them to cats,why not foxes deer pig etc . Dogs used for hunting could quite easily force any quarry out onto a public road causing an accident , thats why you dont or shouldnt hunt in stupid locations, and have a public liability third party insurance to cover any such accidents. I would like to see some one lodge a claim for a semi feral cat and them succeed. Edited July 10, 2016 by desertbred 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fly The Boy 339 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Get the feeling the authorities are strict across the pond,,,,have to agree with Katchum make the 2 calls see where you stand... If it was over here the most I would do get a new kitten for them,,,,,500 pound for a cat that died, vet shouldn't get a penny cat died,,, guards over here would just tell ye get her new cat most likely trying there best to keep a straight face,,,,,500 pound its only a cat not damage to a car,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I would never hand that type of money over for a cat they got most likely for free.............. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracken67 7 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 cats n dogs. its the cats fault.No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats TC I break my dogs to livestock including horses, Raptors and other dogs. They are well socialised with humans and non aggressive, why would I break them to cats they run things in a country setting .I dont break them to ferrets as they dont work with them but I will certainly not break them to cats,why not foxes deer pig etc . Dogs used for hunting could quite easily force any quarry out onto a public road causing an accident , thats why you dont or shouldnt hunt in stupid locations, and have a public liability third party insurance to cover any such accidents. I would like to see some one lodge a claim for a semi feral cat and them succeed. It's great that your dogs are broken to livestock, horses and raptors. However, in answer to your question...I'd say you don't break your dogs to foxes, badgers and deer because they're wild animals, undomesticated, and generally we train our working dogs to catch and kill them. However, cats are domesticated and have been for thousands of years. Yes, there are feral and semi feral cats - we have a couple on the farm. Are you seriously telling me that if you had permission on my land, I'd most likely have dead cats on my hands? And you'd like to see me lodge a claim for your out of control dogs ripping one of our barn cats to shreds? Seriously? I've had dogs for nearly 50 years - running dogs, Nuttals and quite a few Bedlingtons...and some of them have been headstrong buggers. I spend time and effort breaking them to cats, quite simply because I don't want the unpleasantness of them catching, killing or badly injuring, someone's pet. Anyhow, you asked "why not foxes deer pig etc"? - I hope I've gone some way in answering your question? People live in the country, sometimes in the middle of nowhere, and sometimes they own a cat - as their pet - it's not up to any of us to say their cat is any less valuable or loved, than our dogs are. I have a 17hh Warmblood stallion - he weighs almost half a tonne - how would you feel if we met your dogs on the bridleway and he stamped and kicked them to death? Would it be acceptable? I think not. Thankfully, he's broken to dogs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracken67 7 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I hope it all works out for the OP, as it seems to have been a genuine accident, and I hope his daughter isn't too traumatised by the whole incident. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 That's bollocked db, the cops took a terrier off lad up my street for killing a cat under a car, he got dog back 2 days later with no charges pressed, but believe me only a fool would second guess the cops or rspca, no sane person knows what either organisation is gonna do next, like iv said for sake of 2 calls he will know where he stands and exact price of bill. I'd pay bill out of decency but I'd make sure I wasn't being ripped off, and I'm sure Clive will let you know where you stand free of charge over a phone, iv dealt with him beforeSo the lad got his dog back no charges because the CPS will have advised no legal basis for the case as it wasnt deliberate. May be I am one step ahead as my Daughter is studying to be a Barrister and guess what she is reading up on , the hunting and dangerous dogs act, so I think your talking bollocks. Agreed with dB k ow somebody whon2as in a similar situation not long ago police wernt interested. Dogs only deemed a danger if it's out of control or danger to humans or livestock. As for dbs attitude in his reply it stinks. if your Mrs had to wear a balaclava all the time your attitude would stink too, be like banging a gay terrorist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 cats n dogs. its the cats fault. No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats I would seriously suggest you don't have one. TC biggest load of shite, best get back to your knitting 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginger beard 4,652 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 cats n dogs. its the cats fault.No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats I would seriously suggest you don't have one. TC biggest load of shite, best get back to your knitting my dogs are broken to all domestic stock 100% and ferrets.if i'm somewhere like a mates house and there cat jumps in there garden they won't touch it because they know there not aloud but if 1 runs out of a lane or similar the temtation is just to much and no shouting stops them i'm afraid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nans pat 2,575 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 cats n dogs. its the cats fault. No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats I would seriously suggest you don't have one. TC ime always right when ime in the wrong,lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,727 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 cats n dogs. its the cats fault. No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats I would seriously suggest you don't have one. TC biggest load of shite, best get back to your knitting my dogs are broken to all domestic stock 100% and ferrets.if i'm somewhere like a mates house and there cat jumps in there garden they won't touch it because they know there not aloud but if 1 runs out of a lane or similar the temtation is just to much and no shouting stops them i'm afraid.foxes n badgers ain't the only predator in the countryside killing livestock birds and game birds n wild birds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Teckers 649 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 It happened to me two christmas's ago I was dropping my mate off outside his house after a night on the lamp he opened my boot to get his dog out, and grabbed him by the collar and a cat walked straight across the road my lurcher seen it jumped out and smashed fuk out of it all the neighbours were out the guy came running out in his slippers going nuts Fuking nightmare, anyway same thing anyway took it to the vets I knew it was f****d but I couldn't really say that so a day later it died in the vets and it cost £400 quid, police didn't do anything then because it was a pure accident hope all ends well fella I'm sure it will aswel ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 cats n dogs. its the cats fault.No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats I would seriously suggest you don't have one. TC biggest load of shite, best get back to your knitting Yet again you prove your just a tit. TC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) cats n dogs. its the cats fault. No it's not, it's the dog owners fault for not breaking the dog to cats. Any dog that chases cats is an accident waiting to happen. There are endless possibilities of what could happen, even ending up with lost human life if the cat runs out on a road with the dog chasing it. There is nothing macho about killing cats with dogs. If you can't break a dog to cats TC I break my dogs to livestock including horses, Raptors and other dogs. They are well socialised with humans and non aggressive, why would I break them to cats they run things in a country setting .I dont break them to ferrets as they dont work with them but I will certainly not break them to cats,why not foxes deer pig etc . Dogs used for hunting could quite easily force any quarry out onto a public road causing an accident , thats why you dont or shouldnt hunt in stupid locations, and have a public liability third party insurance to cover any such accidents. I would like to see some one lodge a claim for a semi feral cat and them succeed. It's great that your dogs are broken to livestock, horses and raptors. However, in answer to your question...I'd say you don't break your dogs to foxes, badgers and deer because they're wild animals, undomesticated, and generally we train our working dogs to catch and kill them. However, cats are domesticated and have been for thousands of years. Yes, there are feral and semi feral cats - we have a couple on the farm. Are you seriously telling me that if you had permission on my land, I'd most likely have dead cats on my hands? And you'd like to see me lodge a claim for your out of control dogs ripping one of our barn cats to shreds? Seriously? I've had dogs for nearly 50 years - running dogs, Nuttals and quite a few Bedlingtons...and some of them have been headstrong buggers. I spend time and effort breaking them to cats, quite simply because I don't want the unpleasantness of them catching, killing or badly injuring, someone's pet. Anyhow, you asked "why not foxes deer pig etc"? - I hope I've gone some way in answering your question? People live in the country, sometimes in the middle of nowhere, and sometimes they own a cat - as their pet - it's not up to any of us to say their cat is any less valuable or loved, than our dogs are. I have a 17hh Warmblood stallion - he weighs almost half a tonne - how would you feel if we met your dogs on the bridleway and he stamped and kicked them to death? Would it be acceptable? I think not. Thankfully, he's broken to dogs. [/quote I personally have had hunting dogs for over 60 years and my family have for over 10 generations.I wouldnt want to be on farms with feral cats in my opinion disease carriers but every one to their own. Domesticated for thousands of years yet they havent been taught not to roam and generally crap in other people gardens I dont propose to continue with this so we will have to differ My line of dogs are hunting dogs so they follow natural instincts to hunt they dont have to be taught to kill things as you put it. Hunting dog or sight dog will not differentiate on quarry naturally unless like fox hounds, or earthwork dogs etc they are reared to do so.. Edited July 10, 2016 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bracken67 7 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Yep...I think we'll have to agree to differ. But good of you to write the first sentence in capital letters...haha..my eye sight's not that bad yet bud. P.S. Our barn cats are vaccinated and in good health - so no disease here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 That's bollocked db, the cops took a terrier off lad up my street for killing a cat under a car, he got dog back 2 days later with no charges pressed, but believe me only a fool would second guess the cops or rspca, no sane person knows what either organisation is gonna do next, like iv said for sake of 2 calls he will know where he stands and exact price of bill. I'd pay bill out of decency but I'd make sure I wasn't being ripped off, and I'm sure Clive will let you know where you stand free of charge over a phone, iv dealt with him beforeSo the lad got his dog back no charges because the CPS will have advised no legal basis for the case as it wasnt deliberate. May be I am one step ahead as my Daughter is studying to be a Barrister and guess what she is reading up on , the hunting and dangerous dogs act, so I think your talking bollocks. Agreed with dB k ow somebody whon2as in a similar situation not long ago police wernt interested. Dogs only deemed a danger if it's out of control or danger to humans or livestock. As for dbs attitude in his reply it stinks. if your Mrs had to wear a balaclava all the time your attitude would stink too, be like banging a gay terrorist Yep...I think we'll have to agree to differ. But good of you to write the first sentence in capital letters...haha..my eye sight's not that bad yet bud. P.S. Our barn cats are vaccinated and in good health - so no disease here. My 2 finger key board skills often leave upper case trails lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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